Talk:Slavic migrations to the Balkans

Avars

It readsThe backbone of the Avar Khaganate consisted of Slavic tribes Is this claim sourced. If so I suggest the article Pannonian Avars be changed accordingly. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:06, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Map

The article needs a quality map of all the tribes. Found at Wikimedia Commons this, this, and this, but they do not mention all the tribes, source (2/3) or have poor quality. Will make a new map.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 09:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Ok, present it here first. Thank You.(KIENGIR (talk) 03:11, 4 January 2021 (UTC))

Done in February 2022.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 12:11, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 27 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. No consensus to move. Perhaps a centralized RfC somewhere (maybe some wikiproject) would be a better way to rename Balkan related articles. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 12:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

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Slavic migrations to the Balkans → Slavic migrations to Southeastern Europe – Move and merge of history, talk pages etc. of the articles. The term Balkans is ill-defined and controversial because of which is steadily being replaced by more accurate and acceptable term Southeastern Europe. The term Southeastern Europe can be commonly found in scientific literature and else for the specific topic and context. The other Slavic migrations are to/from Central or Eastern Europe - not some vague term like the Balkans. Slavs are linguistically and so on divided into East, West and South Slavs - not Balkan Slavs. Also, the Balkans by definition isn't broad enough term to include all South Slavs and lands they lived in (e.g. lived in Eastern Alps, Asia Minor, and especially Pannonian part of Hungary all the way up to central Slovakia before their Magyarization in later centuries). As such for the topic is much more accurate and appropriate the term Southeastern Europe. Generally and terminologically is more simple and concise to have the same style neither there's need to promote furthermore the term Balkans more than needed in primary meaning instead of Southeastern Europe for Southeastern part of Europe. Miki Filigranski (talk) 19:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 21:59, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The term Balkans is ill-defined and controversial I don't perceive any of the two is steadily being replaced by more accurate and acceptable term Southeastern Europe. The term Southeastern Europe can be commonly found in scientific literature and else for the specific topic and context. I see no evidence of sources "replacing" the term. The other Slavic migrations are to/from Central or Eastern Europe - not some vague term like the Balkans. I find Central and Eastern Europe more vague than the Balkans as a term. "Southeastern Europe" too looks more vague to me than "Balkans", I know very clearly what countries does the latter mean but not the former. Slavs are linguistically etc. divided into East, West and South Slavs - not Balkan Slavs. unrelated. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 11:05, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

It is a made-up term/conception in the 19th century with very specific not-in-good-faith connotations (link). Wikipedia articles titled "Southeastern European". Romanian historian Florin Curta's Southeastern Europe in the Middle Ages, 500–1250 is widely cited on English Wikipedia, as are other books using such terminology in the title and text. Google Books search (Southeastern Europe has 42.800.000; Southeast Europe 7.850.000; Balkans only 5.340.000 results). Scientific peer-review journal ([1]) published by Brill among others, and much more can be found through most simple and fast Google search.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 11:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Among other academic liteature, see The Routledge Handbook of Balkan and Southeast European History (2021) - a region that was previously known as the Balkans but is now better known as Southeastern Europe. --Miki Filigranski (talk) 21:32, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

 Comment: There is an ongoing discussion over at Talk:Croatia § Location within Europe about "Balkans" in the lede section of the article. "Balkans" is indeed a controversial term as summarized in one of the quotes I provided in the first post of that discussion. Slavic migrations to Southeastern Europe also precede Ottoman conquests in the region; when Slavs migrated here, there were no 'Balkans' to speak of. Balkans are no less vague than 'Southeastern Europe' or any other region of Europe for that reason, when it comes to border cases. –Vipz (talk) 20:21, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nominator. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 16:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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