Talk:Skate (song)

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 08:20, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

My first review for you in a long time! --K. Peake 08:20, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Replace hlist with bullet points per Template:Infobox song
• Wikilink disco and funk to themselves
• Pipe Domitille Degalle to DOMi
• Remove "that was" before the recorded by part
• The first sentence is too much of a run-on; mention the song being from their debut studio album, An Evening With Silk Sonic (2021), after stating who the duo consists of, then split the release into a sentence after writing/production
• "was released on" → "It was released on" plus write "the album" in the new context instead
• ""Skate" was written by" → "The song was written by" plus shouldn't you use the stage names .Paak and D'Mile in the prose to avoid confusion? Either way, pipe Domitille Degalle to DOMi

I stick to the album liner notes. This is how they are credited. You mean DOMi, right? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:02, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes I did, but at the same time liner notes generally credit under real names for those that use stage names, so fix to avoid confusion since the average viewer may not know those are the real names. --K. Peake 07:35, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

To begin with, D'mile and Paak are credited with their real names on the liner notes and are piped to their wiki pages. On the other hand, Mars always uses his stage name on the credits, with a couple of exceptions in the past. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:28, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

• ""Skate" is a R&B, disco and funk song that was" → "An R&B, disco, and funk song, it was" with the wikilinks
• You should add actual elements of the song that critics praised, rather than a couple of quotes
• "in the US it reached" → "in the US, it reached"
• The word Chart should not be capitalised after Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs
• "it peaked at number 12" → "the song peaked at number 12"
• Is the Mexico chart really notable for the lead when it's airplay only; shouldn't Global 200 be mentioned?
• Add a comma before the usage of and in the last commercial sentence
• Merge the third para with the second one, as two sentences is too short
• Wikilink music video
• "Mars and Philippe Tayag, and was released" → "Mars, and Philippe Tayag, being released"

 Done

Background and release

• "On March 5 that year, they announced the release of the" → "On March 5 that year, they released their" per the source
• Wikilink "Leave the Door Open", adding the double speech marks
• The source only mentions that Paak. posted the image on social media, so edit accordingly
• Merge the Zane Lowe para with the above one, as two sentences is not enough for a para
• "guitar and drums" → "guitar, and drums"
• "as the second single" → "as the album's second single"
• Add the term stations after contemporary hit radio
• Pipe adult contemporary radio to Adult contemporary music

 Done

Production

• I think this should be made the second para of the previous section since it is background and a one para section is too short
• Pipe Domitille Degalle to DOMi but again, shouldn't you use the stage name for the producer?

They are credited individually, so not sure what is the best approach here is. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:25, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

You definitely need to pipe to the appropriate Wiki, also see my earlier comment about liner notes and confusion. --K. Peake 07:35, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Done. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:31, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

• Add a comma before the last and
• Wikilink sitar
• "congas and percussion, and" → "congas, and percussion, while" with the wikilink
• "background vocals and played Rhodes piano" → "background vocals, as well as playing Rhodes piano" with the wikilink
• Wikilink bass guitar

I think everyone knows what this is. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:25, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

It is not overly obvious like wikilinking to guitar itself, as this is a specific type. --K. Peake 10:24, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Done. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:31, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

• Pipe strings to String section
• Wikilink cello
• Wikilink viola
• "Tess Varley and Luigi Mazzocchi" → "Tess Varley, and Luigi Mazzocchi"
• Why have you mentioned Serban Ghenea as having mixed "Leave the Door Open" in this article?

My bad, it was because I copied his name from the article mentioned and forgot to change that. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:25, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

• Pipe Virginia Beach to Virginia Beach, Virginia
• Wikilink Sterling Sound per MOS:LINK2SECT

 Done

Composition

• Pipe chorus to Refrain on the audio sample text
• Add "Musically, "Skate" is a" to open the genres sentence
• "a disco, funk and" → "a disco, funk, and" with the wikilinks, but shouldn't the refs be in the same order as the genres?
• Wikilink Gerald Ford
• Only the rising bridge part of the instrumentation sentence should be in speech marks; place the rest in your own words and make sure the quoted part(s) are direct unless using [] to rephrase
• "according to one reviewer;" → ".Paak sings at one point;" since that is a line quoted
• "booty-struck" the later" → "booty-struck", on the later"
• "On the bridge Mars croons while" → "On the bridge, Mars croons, while" with the pipe
• "and "groovy"." → "and a "groove"." per the sources, but the USA Today one appears to add nothing
• Pipe Billboard to Billboard (magazine)
• Italicise Idolator
• Pipe Vulture to Vulture.com per MOS:LINK2SECT
• "is inspired by" → "was inspired by"
• Italicise Consequence
• Remove "writing for Billboard" after Lipshutz because you have already introduced him by this point
• Pipe Tavares to Tavares (group)
• Pipe Saturday Night Fever to Saturday Night Fever (soundtrack), also the release year is not in the quote so add [] around it
• Wikilink Jon Pareles
• Italicise Hypebeast
• Pipe Car Wash to Car Wash (film)

 Done

Critical reception

• "received critical acclaim." → "was met with acclaim from music critics." to be specific
• Italicise Idolator and remove the pipe
• ""the perfect follow-up to" → ""the perfect follow-up" to" using double speech marks for the title too, so the chart-topping part is axed properly
• ""on repeat on Spotify"." → ""on repeat on [their] Spotify"." with the wikilink; correct paraphrasing
• "sing-a-long feel of" → "sing-a-long feel" of" per my earlier comment about chart topping part
• "for "authentically reproduce" → "for their ability to "authentically reproduce"
• "called it an" → "called the song an"
• "Joe Walker, writing for HipHopDX," → "Joe Walker, for HipHopDX,"
• The word staff should not begin with capitalization
• "praised the song, calling it "effortless", and despite it not bringing anything new," → "praised the "effortless" song, saying that despite not bringing anything new, it is"
• The speech marks for the title "Skate" are missing an ending point in the first review of the third para
• Either add "the roller rink jam" part from the NME review or use ...

Where do you add this? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:40, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

This can be seen after the uplift part in the source --K. Peake 07:35, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Done. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:33, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

• "Candace McDuffie writing for Paste Magazine said" → "Candace McDuffie, for Paste, said" with the pipe
• "and redundant" but added" → "and redundant", but added"
• "times before" but gains" → "times before", but gains"
• "makes his verse" → "makes his line"
• "and "entertaining" while noting its" → "and "entertaining", while noting the"

 Done

Accolades

• Write Siroky rather than Mary Siroky here, as you have already used the full name previously
• Remove wikilink on Under the Radar
• "Mark Redfern said "It's incredibly" → "Redfern said, "It's incredibly"
• "such a joyous song"." → "such a joyous song."" per MOS:QUOTE on full sentences

 Done

Commercial performance

• "13.4 million streams and" → "13.4 million streams, and"
• "debuted at its peak of" → "debuted and peaked at" because you use it to begin the following sentence
• "chart and at number 18 on" → "chart, and number 18 on"
• The refs should be in the same order as the charts are listed
• Italicise Rolling Stone in the name of the top 100 chart
• "on Canada Hot AC and at number 19 on Canada AC charts." → "on the Canada Hot AC chart and number 19 on the Canada AC chart." because the wikilink leads to the same sub-section for both
• The peak for Israel does not load when I click on any of the dates near the one listed
• "On the New Zealand Singles Chart, it" → "On the New Zealand Singles Chart, the song" with the pipe
• Pipe Mexico Airplay to List of Billboard Mexico Airplay number ones
• I don't think the term at is needed before any of the peak positions after Mexico Airplay in that sentence
• Pipe Japan Hot 100 to Billboard Japan Hot 100
• "chart and at number 29" → "chart, and number 29"

 Done

Music video

• Wikilink music video
• "on July 30, and" → "on July 30, 2021, and"
• "Mars, Florent Déchard and Philippe Tayag." → "Mars and Florent Déchard, while co-directed by Philippe Tayag."
• "The music video features "vintage visuals" depicting" → "The video is a "vintage visual" depicting"
• "said video is" → "said the music video is"
• "called the video" → "called it" to avoid overusage of the video
• "Sabrina Park from Harper's Bazaar" → "Park from Harper's Bazaar"

 Done

Charts

Weekly charts

• The Israel peak is not sourced

 Done

Year-end charts

• Good

Release history

• Label → Label(s)

 Done

References

• Copyvio score looks solid at 28.6%!!!
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with refs 2, 5, 6, 25, 30, 32, 33, 60 and 62
• Cite The Music Network as work/website instead on ref 10
• Cite Idolator as work/website instead and fix MOS:QWQ issues for ref 14
• Wikilink Rolling Stone on ref 15, also why is there no url-access limited here?
• Author-link Jon Pareles on ref 16 and add url-access limited
• WP:OVERLINK of Stereogum on ref 17 and remove the author, as this parameter should only cite people
• Pipe Vulture to Vulture.com on ref 18 per MOS:LINK2SECT
• Wikilink Entertainment Weekly on ref 19
• Cite Hot Press as work/website instead on ref 21
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 29 and remove staff from authors per my earlier comment
• Remove wikilink on Rolling Stone for refs 31 and 46
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 34 and WP:OVERLINK of HipHopDX
• Paste Magazine → Paste on ref 37, piping to Paste (magazine)
• Cite No Ripcord as work/website instead on ref 38
• WP:OVERLINK of Under the Radar on ref 40
• Wikilink Media Forest on ref 50 and remove it from the title
• Recording Industry Association (Singapore) → Recording Industry Association Singapore on ref 58
• Cite Gaon Chart as publisher instead on ref 71, piping to Gaon Music Chart

 Done

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; took a couple of days to review! --K. Peake 10:24, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Kyle Peake I have finished fixing the issues, however, I have some doubts that I left in the above sections. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:41, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

MarioSoulTruthFan Responses have been left by me now in areas where you expressed doubts, as is mostly expected. --K. Peake 07:35, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Kyle Peake I either responded or fixed the issues according to your responses. Thank you very much for the review. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:33, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

MarioSoulTruthFan I am acceptive of your POV for all the issues apart from one point with the real names part; shouldn't you use .Paak all the time rather than real name since he is a main subject? --K. Peake 12:18, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Kyle Peake Glad to hear that and I have thought about it. I always use his stage name, the only exception is the songwriting credits. Please let me know if I have missed something. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

MarioSoulTruthFan ✓ Pass now, I see no further problems and good job on providing explanations for any of our disagreements! --K. Peake 17:02, 13 February 2022 (UTC)