Talk:Siteswap

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unless someone has a better idea, I intend to add the following text in a few days (say, on february 3rd) — Preceding unsigned comment added by J c stuifbergen (talk • contribs) 06:15, 27 January 2006

1-handed and 4-handed site-swap

1-handed site-swap (diabolo site-swap)

Site-swap notation in its simplest form ("Vanilla siteswap") assumes that only 1 ball is thrown at a time.

This means that these patterns are just as valid for a single hand, or for a diabolo player throwing diabolos at different heights.

4-handed site-swap

Conversely, "vanilla" site-swap patterns are also valid for a 3-handed juggler, or for 2 jugglers coordinating 4 hands, on the condition that no hands throw at the same time!

In practice, this is most easily obtained if the jugglers throw by turns.

(Left hand of juggler A, left hand of juggler B, right hand of A, right hand of B).

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I made some changes to the wording of this, and called the section "Multi-hand site-swap", as there's no reason to restrict it to 1 and 4 hands (especially when you mention "3-handed" in the text. Popstar Dave 04:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Diagrams

Just want to inform you that the french articles fr: Siteswap and fr: Diagramme (jonglerie) use some new illustrations, you might consider using them here. 82.225.11.233 23:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The charts used on this page, including the vanilla ladder chart and state diagram, could be replaced by simpler cases and be drawn more clearly, respectively. Relspas (talk) 18:23, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Linux Screensaver

When you install xscreensaver followed by xscreensaver-data-extra, the 'juggler' screensaver uses siteswap notation. You might want to add that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.112.54 (talk) 17:12, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

In fact there are two screensavers in xscreensaver: one in 2d by Tim Auckland (2004), and the other in 3d by Brian Apps (2005). See: http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/screenshots/ and http://www.jugglesaver.co.uk/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.132.156.182 (talk) 13:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Peacock terms and Weasel words in Programs

When I viewed this article, it contained some peacock terms under the programs subsection:

There are many free computer programs available which simulate siteswap patterns.

* Juggling Lab animator - A very good open source animator which was written in Java and interprets nearly all siteswap syntax. It can also be embedded as applet in a website. * Jaggle - Another Java based siteswap animator which uses fancy 3d graphics to animate the patterns. It has a list of predefined tricks and supports styles to animate hand movements. It is useful for learning patterns because you can play the trick backward in time. * Jongl - This is a nice looking animator which is available for many operating systems. It uses 3d graphics to display the tricks and is also capable to display multihand (passing) patterns. * Realtime Juggler - Java applet which allows changing the siteswap in realtime. * JuggleMaster - open source animator written in C++ for Linux, Windows, Mac OS X, Solaris, and others. Java version and JavaScript version are also available.

I am removing the terms in order to adhere to wikipedia's guidelines: Wikipedia:Avoid_peacock_terms Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.125.2.176 (talk) 01:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Possible source

• Gray, Laura (December 19, 2012). "Juggling by numbers: How notation revealed new tricks". BBC. Retrieved December 20, 2012.

Chris857 (talk) 02:47, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Siteswap etymology-explanation is not satisfactory

It says "siteswaps" come from swaping, for example swapping 55500 to get 50505 this could confuse people , because they probably think they can now take a pattern and swap numbers inside and get a valid siteswap, wich isn't possible: take 534 valid siteswap, swap 5 and 3 getting the invalid 354 wich is 543, so invalid siteswap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.128.165.43 (talk) 23:09, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

I fixed it. I don't remember where I read it so I can't add a citation now. --Ekujupr (talk) 21:03, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Currently siteswap etymology is mixed in with other sections. I think it deserves its own section for clarity. --Relspas (talk) 02:28, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

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Removal of a citation

I removed a self-published book that was being used as a citation. Unfortunately, lulu.com is blacklisted, so I can't include a link to their website, where it's listed. However, you can see it if you do a simple Google search. Since the author does not seem to be a recognized expert in this field, I removed his quotation. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:31, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Structure Changes

I made significant structure changes to make the flow of content more readable and organization of content go from less mathematical to more mathematical. I placed the state diagram next to the mathematical description to group like topics together. Please comment if you agree or disagree with the changes. I've been trying not to remove other's contributions in the process. Relspas (talk) 03:58, 29 April 2020 (UTC)