Talk:Simon Thassi

Simon Thassi - NOT - Simon Maccabeus

The page Simon Thassi was renamed Simon Maccabeus. I believe that there is no justification for such a move and is based on a misunderstanding. Simon was indeed a Maccabean and could rightly be called Simon the Maccabean, ie, a member of the group of brothers originally led by Judas Maccabeus. However, Simon's name is not and never was Simon Maccabeus.

The most obvious source for Simon's name is the the (apocryphal) biblical book "I Maccabees". In 1 Maccabees 2:1–5, Simon is called (in greek καλούμενος) - Thassi. Maccabeus is not the family name. It was a name given only to Judas. Each of the brothers had a different name - John Gaddi, Simon Thassi, Judas Maccabeus, Eleazar Avaran, and Jonathan Apphus - all sons of Mattathias son of John son of Simeon, a priest of the family of Joarib. Nowhere in the biblical sources can the name Simon Maccabeus be found.

This article should be reverted to its original name "Simon Thassi". --@Efrat (talk) 10:33, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

None of that has anything to do with anything. The guy was usually known in English as Simon Maccabeus so the article should go under Simon Maccabeus, at which point you can explain how "wrong" that name is.

Having said that, per Google Ngram, over the last decade more people have been calling him Simon Thassi so—as long as it is the more WP:COMMON ENGLISH name at the moment, it can stay parked here in the wrong place. The other names still belong in the article, since (contra Efrat) Simon's name has been "Simon Maccabeus" across most of Europe for over a thousand years. — LlywelynII 02:38, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Razing the ophel

How come there's no mention of Simon the Hasmonean razing the ophel to ground level? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.234.213.31 (talk • contribs) 01:21, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

Do you know of reliable sources such as scholarly papers or textbooks that discuss Simon razing the ophel? We need such sources to write about the event. Huon (talk) 10:20, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

He didn't raze the ophel, did he? Guy over here says he razed the old citadel (acra/akra, Zion) and fortified the ophel. — LlywelynII 03:14, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

WP:ERA

This edit and this nonstub edit established the usage of this page as BC/AD. Kindly maintain it consistently, pending a new consensus to the contrary. (That may be swift in coming given that the guy was a major Jewish leader, but the previous editors had been misapplying WP:ERA so far.) — LlywelynII 03:08, 14 May 2022 (UTC)