Talk:Shaun Edwards

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• Article warrants attention over his role at Wasps and his role with Wales. CorleoneSerpicoMontana (talk) 01:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
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Short description

The purpose of a Short description is to provide help when somebody searches for an article — which of the articles listed in the search results is the correct one?

A short description is not intended to be a definition – see WP:SDNOTDEF.

A short description is intended to be short – see WP:SD40.

So, in this case, we are talking about a rugby player who is also a rugby coach.

The SD was English rugby league footballer and rugby union coach. This is a too long at 53 characters, so a simple shortening to English rugby footballer and coach is short enough, but implies that he may be a current player.

Shortening the Short description to English rugby coach and former player results in a SD of 37 characters. It includes a nationality, says that he was a player and is a coach and so meets all of the requirements. — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 09:00, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Rugby=rugby union to the vast majority of people. That is the opposite of what you want to be saying as he was a rugby (league) footballer, and is a rugby (union) coach. You may as well have no short description if you are going to insist on a shit description.Fleets (talk) 09:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Rugby is a game with two teams and a ball and most people on the planet probably think of it as a strange form of American football. The union vs league thing is not a thing for most people and the Short description is not the place for such a detail.

I don't think crowing your ignorance of the article's subject is a compelling argument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Local Potentate (talk • contribs) 11:31, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

We could go with no SD as you suggest, but maybe a better one would be English rugby union coach. Coach would imply player / ex-player anyway — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 09:42, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Rugby Union coach & former Rugby League footballer. What is he; that covers it using accurate language that is not offensive to either sport, nor followers of those two very distinct and separate sports.Fleets (talk) 09:53, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

What Short description would you suggest that is 40 characters or shorter — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 10:00, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Then remove it altogether. With language today what you've said is verging on hate crime territory for the minority sport as it is now.Fleets (talk) 10:02, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

The question needs to be viewed at the level of — is this article about a film actor, an author, a pole-vaulter, a politician or a rugby coach? — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 10:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

It's not an either/or. I'm not assuming dominance one way or the other and I wouldn't presume to in a case where he could be considered a household name in his two distinct careers.Fleets (talk) 13:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

The short description is intended to be short – see WP:SD40 — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 11:13, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm quite sure it isn't meant to be offensive either. I do also hope that was not your intention.Fleets (talk) 20:47, 24 July 2022 (UTC)