Talk:Rip Van Winkle

Potential Background Narrative?

Rip van Winkle was an easy going man, then supposedly met some sailors and played with them for 20 years without being aware of the passage of time? I have a theory on this. Rip actually went into the war with a group of sailors and during the war saw or did such horrible things that his mind protected him from the memories and he went mad. Eventually he ended up back home without his dog or rifle because the dog died of age and the rifle reminded him of the war (it rotted away). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpfoley89 (talk • contribs) 08:11, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts Reference

The video game Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days contains a reference to this story in which the character Demyx says "Is Xion still doing the Rip Van Winkle thing?" I'll scout YouTube, I'm sure someone has caught the line of dialogue, but right now there is no reference to the line in either this article or the linked one. Forceman81 (talk) 01:15, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Van

All the print editions of this story that I have seen spell the name Rip Van Winkle with a capital "V", whether using the full name or just referring to the character as "Van Winkle." Any objection to my changing the title of this article? — Walloon 23:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Novel?

Who added this article to the "WikiProjectNovels"? "Rip Van Winkle" is a short story, not a novel. — Walloon 21:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

The novel project should be called "literature" as they include just about everything that is literature as a novel. -- Stbalbach 13:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Hardly, Novels and Novellas ( with associated series and characters) only.

No Graphic novels

No Manga

No Light novels

No Plays

No poetry

No short stories

No mythology - not an exhaustive list of exclusions! :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 08:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I've added this back to the Novels Project under the "Short Story Task Force" banner. I think that makes sense, right? -Midnightdreary 23:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Deleted

I deleted the part about references to recent music, as it was in an irrelvant section (adaptation) and were relatively insignificant (i.e. more important references have been left out) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.98.72.191 (talk • contribs) 21:01, 6 November 2006

I deleted the following paragraph, as I found it uninteresting and quite irrelevant: Note also that the family name of Honi is also a term of geometry ('M'agel' is Hebrew for 'circle maker'), as well as the family name of Rip ('Winkel' is German for 'angle'), however in Dutch "Winkel" means "shop". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.48.168.54 (talk) 11:40, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Nicely done. Next time, though, add your new comments to the bottom of the talk page. --Midnightdreary (talk) 13:10, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Kaatskill Cove

Regarding this recent edit[1] which removed any mention of specific place names. While it may be true that the book itself does not mention specific place names, has there been subsequent scholarship, or even direct quotes from Irving himself, that he placed the story in a specific town and location? -- Stbalbach 15:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

So i added the polish guy thing but i dont really know the syntax for references. hopefully it works. the URL is in the source if it doesn't so maybe someone can fix it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.23.216 (talk • contribs) 00:33, 3 June 2007

Neutral POV?

Seriously, "communism and all its ill effects" isn't really NPOV. What about just deleting "and all its ill effects", or at least replacing "ill effects" with something else. I'm not trying to start at discussion on the Soviet regime or anything, but I believe that it should be edited, in order to keep a NPOV.

ElChrissos 23:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

"Modern-day Parallel of Rip van Winkle"

This section has nothing to do with the story and should be deleted. These tidbits of info pop up a lot on wiki pages just when they're in news.

Madmotet 23:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Or one could simply link to the Wikipedia article Jan Grzebski... Geke 00:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Van (Dutch) capitalised?

Why is the van capitalised? According to the Van (Dutch) article the van is supposed to be in lower case. --BiT 10:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Because Rip's name probably changed after settling in New York. And not only this capital. In Dutch his name would be Winkel, not Winkle. Cuon 09:37, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

What changed?

what was change before and after Rip went to sleep —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.0.12.171 (talk • contribs) 00:13, 28 September 2007

Purpose of some sections

I can't see what the allusions or "references to actual history" has to do with understanding this subject. They seem to be nothing more than glorified trivia sections.--Crossmr (talk) 23:02, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Origin of name "Van Winkle"

There really isn't enough evidence to show that Irving chose the name "Van Winkle" because it was the name of his New York publisher. The original story was completed (at the home of Irving's brother-in-law in England) well before Irving had any idea of going to print, much less having a particular publisher in mind. In this particular case, Irving's choice of publisher owes more to serendipity than homage. Hence, I've removed that particular sentence.--Federalistpapers (talk) 15:17, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Van Winkle is dutch not german and translates closest to van winkel - "from store". -Steve Van Winkle (august 25, 2008) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.5.73.235 (talk) 01:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Rip Van Wastell —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.37.205.190 (talk) 21:49, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I find it ironic that Rip is also the acronym for Rest In Peace. --Dennis Fernkes (talk) 21:02, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Fashion Label of the same name

Rip Van Winkle (リップヴァンウィンクル) is also a cutting edge Japanese men's clothing brand started by designers Naoki Shirotani and Masao Ono in 1997.

More info can be found here Rip Van Winkle short Bio

A separate article might be needed.

Voskull (talk) 03:31, 28 November 2008 (UTC)voskull

References

Literary forerunners

This section was titled "Literary origins", and it was asserted that Rip Van Winkle was an adaptation of the German story. No sources were provided to back this up. I have changed to title to the less loaded 'forerunners' as that does not suggest that any of the mentioned texts directly influenced Irving. When proof is provided, it can be changed back, maybe ... 81.157.193.176 (talk) 09:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Good move! The section is pretty bloated, full of original research, and completely unverifiable without sources, which is why I stuck the big template tag on there. I'm inclined to rip out the whole thing unless we find sources that directly connect these little factoids to Irving's story. --Midnightdreary (talk) 13:07, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Bad move, actually. That Irving copied whole paragraphs out of Otmars Peter Klaus has been proven conclusively by Henry A. Pochmann: Irving’s German Sources in The Sketch Book. In: Studies in Philology 27, 1930. And never challenged since. --Janneman (talk) 22:30, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

So, cite it. That's the whole point. If an assertion like this is made, it simply must be cited. There's no argument there. As such, removal of uncited content like this is always a good move! --Midnightdreary (talk) 02:13, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

The entire section should be removed, every one of these fairy stories is "based on" an earlier one and an earlier one and a yet earlier one, back to the early days of cave-dwelling. It's pointless. But I'm not going to stick my hand in the hornet's nest :) 116.231.78.79 (talk) 08:42, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Needs a plot summary

Needs a plot summary or synopsis -- there's not a single mention of the plot. While someone might think most people know the story, that is certainly not the case, especially among non-Americans and youngsters. 70.95.164.85 (talk) 05:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Check article history; it was deleted by a vandal. I restored it. --Midnightdreary (talk) 15:26, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Buck Rogers

Shouldn't there be a reference to the "Buck Rogers in the 25th Century" franchise? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.249.250 (talk) 20:44, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

You'll have to excuse me for being ignorant but I have to ask: Why? --Midnightdreary (talk) 15:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Because many editors (incorrectly!) believe that whatever pop-culture reference that can be made should be made---which is why there are articles with references longer than the main text of the article, most entries along the lines of "X was mentioned on Simpsons", "Pop-group Y has a song that mentions X", etc. In this case, "Buck Rogers in the 25th Century" is one of countless sci-fi works that move a twentieth-century man into the faraway future for extravagant adventures, by means of hibernation or similar.188.100.196.8 (talk) 20:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like WP:OR to me. --Michael C. Price ^talk 23:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I can't help but agree with 188.100.196.8. Ultimately, the whole section is unnecessary. --Midnightdreary (talk) 16:02, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I think what the original poster was getting at was the idea of going to sleep and waking up in a time and world unfamilar to you. However, there are very significant difference between the two. For one Rip wakes up from natural causes where as Buck Rogers has to be revived by outside forces, essentially he's brought back from death (cryo freeze might as well be death.

For another the world Rip awakens to has changed, but in many respects still exists. Whereas the world Buck Rogers awakens too a world that is centuries different so far more has changed for him. Where as Rip still has family and friends who are alive, all of Buck Rogers' family and friends, and their great-great-great grandchildren even, are long since dead and turned to skeleton or dust. Space travel is now common place not only within our own system but among the stars where new dangers await. The biggest change to the world Rip knew is that the Revolution has been fought and the country is no longer colonies under George III but a new nation under President Wasighton.

Also Rip has aged twenty years, awakening as an old man with aches and pains of an old man and a long grey beard. Buck Rogers retains his youth, which allows him to experince adventures only a man in the prime of life would be expected to under take.

If we say Buck Rogers in the 25th Century is reference worthy, then why not H.G. Wells The Time Machine. Though the Time Traveller doesn't fall asleep, the premises is still essentially the same. A man finding himself a stranger in a strange new world. But the means is so different that The Time Machine doesn't warrant being a reference to this story. And I don't think Buck Rogers in the 25th Century does either. - annonymous 9/3/2011 9:57 PM EST — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.9.75 (talk) 01:56, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

New Sections ..

Article needs a critical response section. Even a themes section. I don't understand the forerunners section. If it cannot be shown that Irving was influenced by these forerunners I'm not sure why they are here. Falling asleep for a great length of time is a universal motif in folklore and unless Irving used or was influence by these I'm not sure they need to be listed. I think only the known influences should be listed. Susanne2009NYC (talk) 10:34, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. I say if it can't be sourced, it can go. The best source for "Rip Van Winkle" analytically is Andrew Burstein's book. --Midnightdreary (talk) 15:58, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll get it. I hate to see these American classics suffer. They deserve better. Susanne2009NYC (talk) 16:06, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Burstein on order. Susanne2009NYC (talk) 16:54, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm happy to help, though I'm not as dedicated to the Wiki as I once was. --Midnightdreary (talk) 17:12, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Let's clean this article up and send it straight to FA as co-nominators. Let's get rid of the Dictionary section and the Forerunners. OK? Article needs a Critical reception/Analysis section -- IMHO based on a critical consensus (no weird, off the wall, pop intrepretations) and that's about it! Susanne2009NYC (talk) 22:59, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I think the dictionary section was poorly done but I think some of the information is salvageable, provided decent sourcing is found. I think, ultimately, what the section was implying was that the story created a term which now has common usage outside of the story. --Midnightdreary (talk) 23:59, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Need help for copyvio check

I'd hoped to get to this article but haven't the time. One of the major contributors is a banned sock puppet with an open CCI. If anyone else could comb through and check the text against the sources it would be appreciated. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:34, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Rip, somewhat hermetic?

How is Rip somewhat hermetic. One such definition of the word is recluse, solitary, as in to lead a hermetic life. And yet it is shown that Rip helped out his neighbors when they asked him to (Rip is a bit odd in that Irving describes him as being adverse to any kind of profitable labor then in the same paragraph says he is not adverse to hard work as long as it was other people's work), that he hang's out with the children of the village on a fairly regular basis, and that he hangs out with the men of the village at the village tavern, also on a regular basis. Yes he does go off into the wilderness to get away from the scolding of Dame Van Winkle often when he can't do so within the village. But he seems far from a recluse.

Another definition is to be impervious from external influence. If that's the case then Dame Van Winkle's scoldings would have no effect on him. But as stated, Rip does whatever he can to get away from his wife on a regular basis. And he's shown to be fearful of her wrath when he awakens from his sleep. -annonymous 9/03/2011 9:36 PM EST — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.9.75 (talk) 01:25, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Peter Stuyvesant?

Jeopardy had a question connecting peter stuyvesant to rip van winkle and there's a smattering of like hits on google. yet nothing in EITHER article! what's the deal?

is peter vanderdonk supposed to be a spoof of stuyvesant somehow? or is stuyvesant connected to some OTHER (realworld) "van winkles" that everyone is mixing up? 209.172.25.149 (talk) 05:05, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Removed "adaptation"

I removed the following from the ADAPTATIONS section, upon finding no secondary sources to verify: In 2014, the web series Classic Alice adapted Rip Van Winkle for four episodes. The titular character cuts class to recreate Van Winkle's nap and finds she missed too much to catch up on, which makes her feel quite like Rip. Henry chianski (talk) 03:37, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

New Adaptation

"Rip in Time" on Hallmark Movies & Mysteries (22 May 2022) PlaysInPeoria (talk) 12:19, 23 May 2022 (UTC)