Talk:Razmik Amyan

Template:Infobox

Toghrul R I'm opening this discussion to state that this is not an argument for reverting. Just because there are articles currently displayed in a certain way doesn't justify reverting a Template:Infobox_person#Parameters based edit, where clearly a use of a single country is preferred (in case of Soviet countries, the weight of Soviet Union as the country prevails). If you have policy based disagreements with me, I'd be happy to hear you. Otherwise, I don't see a valid reason for your revert and similar case was discussed already on an admin's talk page. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 10:35, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@ZaniGiovanni Azerbaijan SSR and others were constituent republics of the Soviet Union. Both should be added.

in case of Soviet countries, the weight of Soviet Union as the country prevails → If you think a single country is preferred, would it be logical to change "Ijevan, Armenian SSR, Soviet Union" to "Ijevan, Soviet Union" on Nikol Pashinyan page? As you mention, the USSR prevails in this case. — Toghrul R (t) 10:52, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

If you think a single country is preferred, would it be logical to change "Ijevan, Armenian SSR, Soviet Union" to "Ijevan, Soviet Union" on Nikol Pashinyan page? As you mention, the USSR prevails in this case.

It's not what I "think", it's based specifically on an infobox parameter Template:Infobox_person#Parameters, this is what birth_place has to say:

• Place of birth: city, administrative region, country.

In case of Nikol Pashinyan, it says "Ijevan, Armenian SSR, Soviet Union" where Armenian SSR can be argued as the administrative region. Also, if you want to discuss Pashinyan's infobox, this is not the page to talk about it, take it to the respective article page.

In case of this article, we already have an administrative region stated, NKAO, and we're left with two countries - Az SSR and Soviet Union, the latter having the larger weight. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 11:02, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@ZaniGiovanni You said we have to weigh the constituent republic as the USSR is prevalent. But it this case, you say Armenian SSR can be argued as an administrative division. How? It's not mandatory to put the administrative division if there's none. Like Ijevan, Armenia today.

Also, there's no rule that a single country or administrative division should be written. That only shows the structure: "city, administrative region, country" → that's the general convention we have to follow. — Toghrul R (t) 12:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

If you think it's not mandatory when there is no administrative division and you want to change that article, then argue it in the Nikol Pashinyan talk page. This is a different article, I already informed you.

Regarding this article, we do actually have all, "city, administrative region, country", and it should be written according to the template specifically for the infobox, Template:Infobox_person#Parameters, with weight given in favor of Soviet Union which makes the most sense. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 12:36, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@ZaniGiovanni Thanks for already informing me. I've shown the article and the location as an example, but as we know, there are literally thousands of them. Also, as I mentioned, "city, administrative region, country" is just the convention; it means we have to write the places from the smallest to the biggest, not having this or that. — Toghrul R (t) 12:56, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, as I mentioned, "city, administrative region, country" is just the convention; it means we have to write the places from the smallest to the biggest, not having this or that.

Where are you getting this information? I'm reading Template:Infobox_person#Parameters, which clearly states "city, administrative region, country". Nowhere it says "it means we have to write the places from the smallest to the biggest", what? ZaniGiovanni (talk) 13:03, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@ZaniGiovanni That's the general convention. The documentation can be updated as every other page, it's not always perfect. By the way, could you please tell where have you taken the information about adding only one administrative division or country? — Toghrul R (t) 13:07, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Only admins and template editors can update Template:Infobox_person#Parameters and similar template pages, and even then consensus is needed in talk for major changes. You can't just edit the template page like any other Wikipedia article, that's just not true. And there is a reason the current infobox for birth_place is; "city, administrative region, country" (singular not plural, to answer your 2nd question) as it has consensus. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 13:18, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@ZaniGiovanni It's not a strict rule but a documentation page. that's just not true is not an argument; you can literally click the edit button and change it (starting from autoconfirmed users). The part is erroneous as there are people who were not born in cities, but in villages or other areas. I will make the necessary adjustments to the template to solve it — Toghrul R (t) 13:29, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

As I said, you can't edit Template:Infobox person, only admins and template editors can.

The part is erroneous as there are people who were not born in cities, but in villages or other areas.

Yeah nobody's surprised by this, obviously it'll be a village instead of a city if the subject was born in a village. It's so obvious that the template doesn't specify between a city/village. But this has nothing to do with our discussion. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 13:38, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@ZaniGiovanni actually, You can edit it. For the template itself, it's not possible to do so. Template documentation is a subpage for explanation. They are always welcomed to be improved — Toghrul R (t) 13:44, 13 September 2022 (UTC)