Talk:Rai Ahmad Khan Kharal

kharal are Jatts

Please look at all the Kharals they say they are Jatts and they are recorded as Jatts in the census. 78.148.216.200 (talk) 10:10, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

No they aren't, in the sense of caste but I they are in the sense that all people related with farming are called Jatts. Please stop this. MrHyperForEver (talk) 16:03, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes they say Jatts, I asked a Kharal elder are Kharal Jatts he answered we are Jatka people "Jatka Loki" but I then said are you not Rajputs then he said we are Rajputs but also Jatts in the sense that we are agriculturalists. MrHyperForEver (talk) 16:06, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

I have yet to find any mention of Kharals as Rajputs in any pre-modern works of the Panjab. If you come across any, then please let me know. Jat is, in fact, a tribal identity. The Kharals, Johiyas, Khichis, Sahis and others are widely known by their neighbours as 'Jangli Jats' since they historically dwelled as territorial pastoralists (not agriculturists!) in the Ravi-Satluj confluence. I have no doubt they many still identify as Jatts.

As for Jatt being a designator for an agriculturist, this comes from a hypothesis of Prof. Irfan Habib which was popularised by Hindu-speaking historians with little understanding of Punjab. There are plenty of traditionally agrarian communities in the Punjab; Gujars, Ranghars, Rajputs, Arains, Sainis, Ahirs, Rors, Mahtons etc. They are never referred to as Jats in pre-modern sources.

If anything, it seems that Kharal and other leaders have tried to distinguish themselves from their more successful (and largely pro-Maharaja Ranjit Singh) Jat agriculturists of the Central Punjab, one way of doing this has been to re-style themselves as Rajputs, the other being the bargaining for a distinct Saraiki identity. PanjabiEdmundBurke (talk) 17:30, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Kharals are Rajputs and Jatts both but how?

Jatts are not all those people who are necessarily by caste Jatts, in Punjab all people who are related with farming are called Jatts and they themselves also fancy themselves as Jatt (Jatka) but it doesn't mean they are Jatt by caste.

In the case of Kharals they also are Jatts not by caste but by profession as they are agriculturalists. MrHyperForEver (talk) 16:16, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

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