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Media links content dispute.

It is evident there is a content dispute about the inclusion of a link to a local media source in this article.

I have removed the link until editor consensus can be achieved.

All parties are reminded to discuss content changes in the Talk page, and to not engage in edit warring. Constant reverting of article content without attempting to achieve consensus (or in violation of consensus) will invite administrative action such as blocking. Manning (talk) 05:56, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I am a private citizen of Prattville, I work closely with the City government and Prattville Mayor Jim Byard Jr. I have no affiliation with either the Prattville Progress or Our Prattville. I believe that both of these news media outlets are well respected and recognized by the City government which legitimizes them for there inclusion on the Prattville Media section as they were for the best part of a year. Both of them do charity work such as "Prattville Pets of the Week" etc. with Our Prattville covering and working with the Muscular Dystrophy Association. Linking to these sites may indeed help save the life of an innocent animal, think about that. If any of you have any questions about these two outlets I ask you to call the City of Prattville and verify the veracity of my claim. They are also mentioned on this recognized media directory: http://www.abyznewslinks.com/uniteal.htm under the city of Prattville. You will see they are the only two listed there. This comment was added by 98.89.12.105 at 06:22, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Your personal passion is noted. For the record I know nothing about Prattville, Alabama as I live in Sydney, Australia. However I am an administrator here and I also know a fair bit about how Wikipedia works, so I will attempt to provide some informal mediation.

I'm going to wait to hear the opposing arguments. However, I note that existing articles for towns of a similar size (eg. Wagga Wagga, New South Wales) DO mention local newspapers, so opposing arguments would need to explain why this case differs. Manning (talk) 06:44, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain you are affiliated with Our Prattville, but am willing to let that go. I reinserted the link to the website under the media section, but have no particularly strong feelings about it one way or the other. I honestly don't know if this publication is notable or not. I made a suggestion of filing an OTRS ticket, as a way to establish the credentials behind Our Prattville. Leave it in or take it out, but please don't insert it as an external link on every subject your news service has written about. AniMate^draw 06:49, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Wow, not to get off the subject at hand but Wagga Wagga, New South Wales is simply gorgeous, I am envious. Thanks for the link.

(ec)I would also like to note that the Prattville Progress seems like a legitimate news service. It has an address, for whatever that is worth. I do think it should be included. Our Prattville on the other hand is on much shakier ground. AniMate^draw 07:10, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Here are the Alexa rankings for both outlets: Our Prattville 550,698 World Traffic Rank & 93,292 in the USA; The Prattville Progress 1,353,317 World Traffic Rank 284,142 in the USA. Our Prattville has its offices in Prattville, AL. The TV Guide mentions Our Prattville Here http://tvguide.ca/Soaps/Suds/Articles/090911_suds_report_NB.htm

Our Prattville is recognized far more than the Prattville Progress in media circles worldwide. They have interviewed Major celebrities and mentions of their articles are on major sites web wide.

Here they are in the green room as major press interviewing the cast of the CBS show The Young and The Restless http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rftomOjPcSE

Here is yet another mention of a major press article from Our Prattville http://daytimeconfidential.com/news/terri-colombino where Our Prattville is mentioned on a major media site.

Another example http://www.welovesoaps.net/2009/08/video-y-stars-at-silver-star-casino.html

Journalist Melissa Parker is well known in Hollywood, California in media circles.

Our Prattville's Melissa Parker has interviewed major stars of all formats as well as TV star on All Major US Networks ABC, NBC and CBS. Here is a link to some of her interviews http://www.ourprattville.com/tag/interviews Click on NEXT at the bottom of the site to see the next 10 and so on...

Recent OP Story covering the Prattville City Council with upclose media access shots and quotes from the councilmen and Mayor. http://www.ourprattville.com/article/prattville-city-council-passes-0910-budget http://www.ourprattville.com/article/prattville-city-council-passes-0910-budget

One of the true tests of a legit news outlet is if they have close access to these types of government people and Our Prattville does.

Our Prattville also covers the LPGA, trust me getting media credentials for World wide women's pro golf LPGA is a task and they don't hand them out like candy. http://www.ourprattville.com/article/navistar-lpga-classic-returns-to-prattville

I'm redacting the address because according to the street view from google maps that is a residence, not an office. Furthermore, both welovesoaps.com and daytimeconfidential.com are fan run websites. Both feature interviews with major soap stars and TV Guide Canada often cites them as well. That doesn't make them bona fide news organizations. You're going to have to do better than that, I'm afraid. Is your website affiliated with another major news organization. The Prattville Progress appears to be affiliated with The Montgomery Advertiser and appears to have an actual office, which shows legitimacy. Our Prattville doesn't seem to be affiliated with a major news organization, appears to be run from a residence, and the bulk of the articles are written by either Melissa or Marc Parker. AniMate^draw 08:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I have conducted my own research and independently came to the same conclusions as AniMate regarding both of these publications. For the moment a link to the Progress seems valid but not to the magazine. Manning (talk) 08:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Erasure of comment - An anonymous user posted a long and in many cases off-topic comment. As it was too difficult to edit for relevance, I deleted the entire comment and have invited the IP user to resubmit. This is not an attempt to suppress their viewpoint, merely an attempt to stay in accordance the talk page guidelines. Manning (talk) 12:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Prattville Mayor jim Byard Jr. wishes to have all of his media outlets listed in the media section of the Prattville Wiki. This is of utmost importance to him. Please contact Mayor Byard before any rash decision is made. The link to Our Prattville in the media section is the link that he wants. The only media outlet that is here in Prattville is Our Prattville. The Prattville Progress is only a part of the Montgomery Advertiser and the brick and mortar building that they have in Prattville is only here to sell ads to the citizens of Prattville. The Prattville Progress only publishes twice a week and Our Prattville updates as many as five articles a day. I did not send football scores in my last posting - I was sending a copy of an email that was sent from from Mayor Jim Byard Jr. to the Prattville High School Coach telling him that Our Prattville was the legitimate media for the city so that Our Prattville could cover the games for their magazine. I also have a copy of many other emails sent by the Mayor to the Our Prattville staff in reply to many requests for quotes by him for their articles.

Our Prattville is not asking that the other links (from legitimate interviews) be replaced, only that their link be permanently placed on the media section of the Prattville Wiki. Our Prattville does indeed have a brick and mortar building that they work out of. That google map you were looking at is old. Our Prattville is located right in the heart of the business district of the city. There are no home - it is zoned for business. I don't see that the number of writers is germane, but Melissa and Marc and contributing writers have worked tirelessly to bring fair and balanced news articles to the City of Prattville. Please also contact Teresa M. Lee as she is the City of Prattville's webmaster and she will tell you that Our Prattville is the media outlet in the city. Also, the City Council members can be contacted.

That's all well and good, but I'm afraid it's not how Wikipedia works. We don't publish material based on what anybody wants. We publish based on our internal standards of relevance, notability, verifiability and neutrality. We would never contact your mayor, and if he/she contacted us we would actually ignore their wishes. Having said all of that, this does not mean that your publication doesn't deserve inclusion, only that the criteria you are giving me so far is irrelevant for our standards. What I need is independedent and impartial sources verifying that your publication is respected. Personal correspondence does NOT qualify (too easily forged). IF you had a web link from an official City of Prattville web site indicating such that would be useful for example. Manning (talk) 13:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

(ec)If the IP address had not tried to spam this link into other articles, and just kept it here, maybe it could have stayed under the radar and could have been allowed here. Self-promotion is not allowed in wikipedia. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 13:22, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

My 2 cents. I'm not entirely sure there needs to be en external link to the newspaper in the article, but there should be a mention of it in text form under media. That is how Wagga Wagga has it. It's probably notable enough to receive its own article (and have an external link there), if need be. Mahanga^Talk 13:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Given its spam and self-promotion so far, I'm not sure its own article is the right direction to be taking at this time. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 13:52, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Here is a link to Mayor Byard's Twitter - http://twitter.com/mayorbyard and here I will copy and paste a couple of many mentions he makes of Our Prattville's news articles: Event honors artist Charlie "Tin Man" Lucas RT @OurPrattville: Lucas featured at Prattville ARTrek event http://cli.gs/vRBM0,The fun begins in just 3 weeks! RT @OurPrattville: @NavistarLPGA Navistar LPGA Classic returns to Prattville http://cli.gs/X87td

As for independent sources to verify credibility, there is Bill Lang, PR Director, Navistar LPGA Classic - bill.lang@pchresorts.com;Branch Kloess, Director of Riverfront Facilities, Montgomery, AL - bkloess@montgomeryal.gov; John Ford Coley (musical artist) - emailjohnfordcoley@gmail.com; David W. Biediger, Senior Communications Director, Academy Sports + Outdoors - David.biediger@academy.com; Steve Hughes, Publicist in California - steve@bridgeandtunnelcomm.com. If more is necessary, I can add them. Our Prattville has also recently interviewed two gubernatorial candidates - Judge Roy Moore and Ron Sparks. Both men can be contacted also to verify media legitimacy. Do you wish for me to copy and paste emails from some of these people here? I do not mind doing that at all.

Here is a link to the latest Prattville City Council Meeting (September 15) video - you can see in about 28 minutes into it the Our Prattville photographer up on the dais behind the Council taking photos. This person has to be media credentialed and given permission to have access - http://www.prattvilleal.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=585&catid=98&Itemid=8

In numerous articles, someone with the Our Prattville staff is talking to the Mayor, City Council members, department heads, etc., and there are also videos there. These people do not grant access to people who are not in the bona fide media. They are up-close photos, direct quotes from them to Our Prattville, etc. All of these things legitimate them as media. You can also see hundreds of comments on the site made by Prattville citizens.

Our Prattville is simply asking for a link under media or a mention of it in text under media. I appreciate your time and attention in this matter.

You should sign your posts by using 4 tildes (upper left corner of keyboard). Do you intend to continue trying to spam this link into other articles? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 14:00, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Our Prattville only had links that were led to legitimate articles. There is no money made by Our Prattville. The links did nothing to promote Our Prattville - they promoted the person who had been interviewed. Most of those links were put up by publicists or the celebrities themselves wanting to link out to their own interviews in the Our Prattville News Magazine. Our Prattville is requesting a link under media or a mention of it in text under media on the Prattville wiki.

Our Prattville also has a link out on the Autauga Humane Society site (home page) as a media partner. That would be www.autaugahumanesociety.com. They, too, can vouch for media legitimacy. 98.89.12.105 (talk) 14:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for signing. The Tim Conway link said "Exclusive interview!" or some such. No indication why that particular interview was notable. Obvious self-promotion. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 14:49, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Sure, no problem, sorry I have not been signing before. An Our Prattville Exclusive Interview. That was an exclusive interview that Tim Conway gave Our Prattville. Those were his words. Mr. Conway (a comedy legend, in the United States and around the world) does not normally give interviews. His own website has been down for quite a while, and other than just general info, nothing much is found on the internet about him of a particular personal nature. The interview was notable because there was information contained in that interview that was not found anywhere else. Many of Our Prattville interviews are noted that way for the same reason. They were giving Our Prattville an "exclusive" meaning the interview contained certain information that was rare or could not be found anywhere else. 98.89.12.105 (talk) 14:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

To further clarify the above, an "exclusive" further means that the actor, author or whatever is talking only to you and will not be giving the same interview to someone else ten minutes after that or the next day, etc. You know, Tim Conway is an actor of huge merit. By the way, if this has not been mentioned before, Our Prattville's articles/interviews go directly to Google News. If you go to Google News and type in Prattville you will see many Our Prattville articles. 98.89.12.105 (talk) 15:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Here is an Our Prattville link off of a Facebook page of Ron Sparks - Ron Sparks is one of the gubernatorial candidates who will be running for Alabama governor next year. He put a link to his interview with Our Prattville on his Facebook page. This also verifies Our Prattville as a legitimate media outlet and news source - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ron-Sparks/62999974874?v=feed&story_fbid=122454683433 98.89.12.105 (talk) 15:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Someone needs to 'splain things to this user. Wikipedia's purpose is not to enable individual organizations to promote themselves. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 15:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Manning Bartlett asked for direct links off of websites to prove the legitimacy of Our Prattville. That is why I cited Ron Sparks' Facebook link. That is a link that he made himself to an interview that he gave to Our Prattville. He is doing the self-promoting, not Our Prattville. Many publicists and celebrities make their own links to Our Prattville articles as well as other places to self-promote themselves, not to self-promote Our Prattville. Our Prattville makes no money - there are no products on the site. There is nothing for sale. Our Prattville does not spam, nor will it spam in the future. They make no money off of their articles or interviews. They are a legitimate news media outlet in Prattville.

The only thing that Our Prattville requests is to be listed under media in the Prattville wiki, either by link or by mention. Thank you. 98.89.12.105 (talk) 15:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Outside of accusations of users' behaviour, the link in question fails WP:ELNO as it is not about the subject of the article, and the information is transcient. It doesn't help the reader develop an encyclopedic understanding of the town, it only informs of current news developments and Wikipedia is not the news. ThemFromSpace 15:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand, please. What link are you referring to? Our Prattville is not asking for an external link on the wiki, only the mention or link under the media section as all legitimate media for the city should be listed. Thank you for your time. 98.89.12.105 (talk) 15:50, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Clarifying

OK this discussion has gotten out of hand. I'll try and rein it back in.

• There is an established precedent for identifying local print media sources in regional towns.
• There is no precedent for providing external links to these news sources. (If a news source is sufficiently notable to have its own article, then an external link can be used there).
• The Prattville Progress has passed scrutiny as a reliable news source and merits identification.
• Our Prattville magazine also seems to also deserve inclusion based on evidence of its status as a local news resource.
• There is evidence of inappropriate external linking of Our Prattville articles to other Wikipedia entries. This does not have any direct relevance to THIS discussion, which is about identifying the appropriate content for an article about the town of Prattville. (However improper linking remains a conduct issue which WILL be monitored on an ongoing basis.)

Anything I missed? Can we close this discussion down? Manning (talk) 16:20, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, and thank you for including Our Prattville in the media section of the Prattville Wiki. I really appreciate that. 98.89.12.105 (talk) 16:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me, one more thing. Neither the Prattville Progress or Our Prattville is linked our under media. That will be a hot link, right? Thank you again for your time. 98.89.12.105 (talk) 16:31, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

How can I find out if Our Prattville is sufficiently notable to have its own article? Thank you. 98.89.12.105 (talk) 16:46, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

The site would have to actually establish notability, which it does not appear to have done to date. The conduct to date would also factor into the equation, as there are real and warranted concerns regarding the apparent attempt to use Wikipedia for promotional purposes. As well, several of your statements are troubling as they appear to contradict each other.

• You are clearly the same person who is behind the account User:Mtp1960, based on editing patterns and coinciding events. However, your statements have attempted to suggest you are different individuals.
• You have said you "have no affiliation with either the Prattville Progress or Our Prattville", yet another of your posts said "We are a media organization in the city of Prattville, Alabama" and one of the posts under Mtp1960 said "I am a highly respected, high profiled journalist". Which is it?

Based on the posts you have made, it appears certain that you are not being entirely forthcoming about your interest in this matter. Your posts strongly suggest that you are probably one of the two Parkers associated with the site, given the mentions of being a reporter and the staunch defense of the site's journalism. Even if we were to consider a stand-alone article, what assurances would we have that it would not repeatedly be used as a promotional tool for the site? --Ckatz^chat_spy 18:15, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I do not understand why the links cannot be as they were before for the two press organizations in town, Prattville Progress and Our Prattville, linking to the sites (not a Wiki article on either one, as Admin Animate had it). From our experience, this is standard operating procedure for numerous wiki article media sections for cities. Citing examples: Auburn, Alabama, which is a similar size city - in this particular example, the three newspapers are all links back to their organizations' websites. Same goes for Birmingham, Alabama - these are all neighboring cities of ours (in close proximity to Prattville, within 50 miles). Please review these entires and inform us as to why we cannot be treated in a similar manner as we were for almost a year prior to this situation. There are hundreds of these examples.

As far as promotions go, these links are to exclusive interviews. The nomenclature has nothing to do with promotion for Our Prattville. The article/interview names are not a self-promtional tool - they are done for Google placement purposes only and and SEO purposes. It has nothing to do with self-promotion. IWe do not have to self-promote in that way and have actually not thought of doing that. Our name is well known in the industry. These articles and interviews do not make a dime for Our Prattville. The organization makes no money.

The names we give our articles/interviews are done for our own editorial purposes. Our name is well known in the industry, so that when people see it they will read the interview because of our good interviews and good name. It has nothing to do with self-promotion. Please read some of them to find out that they are indeed germane. As a matter of fact, we realize that the wikipedia links have no effect on google rankings because they use the no-follow tag. Some publicists and celebrities have put the links up themselves to promote their own selves and interviews unbeknownst to Our Prattville. In an Our Prattville wiki we would never use links for self-promotion and would just cite examples of our work inside the wiki. We would just like to know why Our Prattville doesn't get to link out and other newspapers in local cities get to link out. Please clarify. 98.89.12.105 (talk) 21:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Please tell me why CKatz deleted our very short, succinct wiki. We were following the guidelines set out by Wiki as stated that anyone can create an article. Admin Mahanga said that Our Prattville was probably notable enough to have its own page and so we created on. Under notable criteria, Our Prattville met 4 items of the 5. We feel like we are being singled out here for some reason and do not understand why. I have said that we would not use this Wiki for self-prmotion links and the Admins at wiki have my word on that. We did not do anything in that wiki that millions of others have not done. I would like to have a mediator for this issue, please, and get the chance to talk to other Admins. Thank you. 98.89.12.105 (talk) 23:54, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

First off, with respect to the terminology, it was an article, not a wiki. This entire encyclopedia site is a wiki, whereas we consider a single page as an article. Secondly, it is most important to understand that it was not your article, it was an article about your website. All articles are required to meet our standards for notability, a subsection of which specifically deals with web sites. (You can find it at Wikipedia:Notability (web).) Your publication is already mentioned in the Prattville article, but an independent assessment (i.e. not that of the site's principals) is required in order to decide if a stand-alone article is warranted. --Ckatz^chat_spy 00:03, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

It is also interesting to note that someone, obviously directly associated with the site, has been posting requests to the al.com forums requesting assistance in changing the status of the site on Wikipedia. Several of the comments are worth noting:

"To be very blunt a group consisting of Wiki admins from Canada, Mexico and Australia are trying to determine for Alabama which Media is legit and which they feel is not."

"In my mind this is nothing short of a fascist move on Wikimedia's part."

This does not look good, especially when combined with the other events that have occured over the past while. --Ckatz^chat_spy 00:14, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay, sorry, it is an "article." Yes, it is an article about our news magazine. I see the Criteria - Our Prattville meets #1 and #3 and it says that "is deemed notable based on meeting any one of the following criteria and Our Prattville meets 2 of them; #1 and #3, with a possibility of #2 in the near future. Please tell me how you conduct an independent assessment (i.e., not that of the site's principals)? Thank you. 98.89.12.105 (talk) 00:10, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I do not know what you are talking about regarding comments on a board. But, just let me say that we have a huge following here in the city and many know (such as the earlier poster who was not us) what has been going on here, unhappy that Our Prattville and the Prattville Progress, the two media outlets for the City of Prattville cannot even have an outside link placed for them in the Prattville wiki article under media. 98.89.12.105 (talk) 00:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Seems to me they could, if you would lay off the puffery attached them them, and stop spamming other articles. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 00:30, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

You may wish to follow the link to the eal.com forum, as the poster is clearly a part of the web site. They also use similar terminology to your posts, referring to the "bricks-and-mortar" office. As for the "earlier poster who was not us", are you referring to User:Mtp1960? If so, that user and your IP are clearly one and the same. Or, perhaps, are you referring to the user User:MiltonMac, who first appeared on Wikipedia mere moments ago and yet was able to recreate most of the article you posted at exactly the same title (Our Prattville - A News Magazine)? --Ckatz^chat_spy 00:33, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

No, that IP address was mistakenly put down as ours. I have no reason to lie about that. That was not us. I do not know or care about anything on a message board. Why was this last article deleted when clearly it was not us who created it? Our Prattville is frequently cited by other reliable sources, it definitely serves a historic purpose, it is frequently cited by other reliable sources, it is a significant publication in ethnic and other non-tricial niche markets. Our Prattville also has been suggested for nomination for a Pulitzer Prize in photography. 98.89.12.105 (talk) 00:41, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

There's no accounting for small-town self-promotion. But when I see this article, I'm reminded of a newspaper quote I read once, about a ballplayer named Pratt, who upon stealing second base was reported to have "slid in on his surname". Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 00:43, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Small town self-promotion? These people have no interest in self-promoting themselves. Now, that one I really don't understand. The citizens here are interested very much in having their two media outlets showcased because they enjoy reading both The Prattville Progress and Our Prattville - A News Magazine. Our Prattville has many many readers here in the local area and all around the world. That's what happens when your articles go straight to Google News. Oh no, this is no small town. This city of 40,000 people is part of a large Metropolitan area of 500,000 people and just a few miles north of us is another metro area of about 2,000,000 people. The Prattville Mayor sits on the Board of the League of Cities of the United States of America. Prattville itself was founded by Daniel Pratt, "Alabama's First Industrialist." 98.89.12.105 (talk) 00:55, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Why is the Prattville Progress not an external link to their website? I have read the history for this talk and I agree with the parties that wrote that the Media section should have links to either the website or an article if one exists. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Prattville,_Alabama&oldid=314858899 read the bottom of the link where for some reason this legitimate discussion was hastily removed. Nearly every Wikipedia Media article uses the format that person was describing.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.73.141.205 (talk • contribs)

The site is linked by way of the "References" section; we don't do "in-line" links in body copy. --Ckatz^chat_spy

The examples given at the bottom of that link I posted are all done in that manner. I have been reading Media sections of Wikipedia articles for a long time and I have rarely if ever seen them done in the fashion you mentioned as references. They are mostly always done as links to the website or the article. Also I noticed that you have deleted the "Our Prattville" article directly after I reverted the changes where I stated why it should exist. My goodness, both it and the Prattville Progress are mainstream Alabama media outlets and are recognized as such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.73.141.205 (talk • contribs)

Many (many many) web sites similar to the OP also do not have stand-alone articles, because they do not have sufficient notability on an international scale. Given that links to this particular site have been spammed and edit-warred over by the site's core members, it makes the plausibility of an article even more remote as it would be very difficult to ensure that such a relatively low-traffic page would not be "hijacked" for promotional purposes. (People associated with the site even went so far as to post messages in a local Mongomery forum requesting "help" in adding links to their site. They have also been cautioned by members of that forum for adding spam links in posts there.) --Ckatz^chat_spy 04:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

If you are referring to the al.com forum that was linked in this article I would not use that as an example here. The reason is that forum is full of anonymous users who could be anyone and not someone affiliated with Our Prattville. I also did not see any request from that text that would suggest that party was asking for links, that was never mentioned. That source is a rather specious example my friend. They asked for people to verify that they were a news outlet of note here, and they indeed are that.

You have still not answered as to why THE PRATTVILLE PROGRESS is not being linked in the same manner as the other news outlets of their stature are in the Media Sections of most of the other city articles. As I said before I have almost always seen them as in-line links not refs. I really do not care about OP and am mostly interested in the way the Progress is being handled.

Removed link to Our Prattville. No updates have been made to their website content in *6* years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.73.142.30 (talk) 14:20, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

External links added

I went ahead and linked to the homepages for Our Prattville and The Prattville Progress. Other articles about cities in the same area do so, and at this point I feel we have spent far too much time debating a trivial point. That being said, if there are any more ham-fisted attempts to spam links to their articles or attempts to create an article on the magazine, I'll remove them. I hope we can focus on something else now. AniMate^draw 01:03, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I fully concur with AniMate on these points. No more discussion please. Manning (talk) 01:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I've converted the external links to references, which still provide a link but are more in line with the Manual of Style (and which also avoid inline external links). --Ckatz^chat_spy 02:15, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough, per WP:MOS. Manning (talk) 02:27, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Admin CKatz just took the links down after Manning and and Animate agreed to change them. Please do not change them back and forth and please let this matter rest. We are not doing anything further, we agreed on what was said and agreed to not do an article on wiki, so we're entitled to have our link. CKatz has accused us again of self-promotion - we are not the ones who changed the links, Manning and Animate were. CKatz is about to ban us if we change them back again. This is not right and we have been treated very badly in this matter for no reason. Mtp1960 (talk) 02:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

You have NOT been treated badly. The links still exist, they have simply been reformatted in line with our Manual of Style. Enough. Drop it. Manning (talk) 02:32, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Why hasn't that little sockfarm been blocked yet, or at least given a prattfall. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 02:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Bugs - I am obviously aware of the potential sockpuppetry (or meatpuppetry) at play here. If the discussion doesn't die away very soon, action will certainly be ensuing. We've reached a satisfactory content outcome that provides the external links and accords with our MOS, so the matter *should* be closed. Manning (talk) 02:37, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I know. I'm just waiting to see if they ever get it. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 02:45, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

No, this is not fair enough. This was already agreed upon. Either we can have a link like all of the other cities have or we can have an article page. This was agreed upon, in I thought, a gentleman's agreement in which we took the words of two Admins here. I will come back and cite more and more examples of newspapers in cities that have external links (even the smallest of neighborhood newspapers), etc. We are being singled out here and being discriminated against for no reason. We have not even been given a reason why Our Prattville cannot have an article after it meets the wiki requirements. Mtp1960 (talk) 12:38 pm, Today (UTC+10)

You HAVE a link in the references section. If there are external inline links in other city articles then we will go and remove those links, not the other way around. This is in accordance with our manual of style. Manning (talk) 02:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

A link to their website is more than sufficient. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 02:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Mtp1960 has been blocked (7 days) for disruptive behavior. Manning (talk) 02:49, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I've mirrored that block on IP 98.89.12.105 as the registered account and the IP are clearly one and the same. --Ckatz^chat_spy 02:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Good call on both blocks and the format change. AniMate^draw 02:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

My patience on this meat/sock puppetry has run out so I deleted another tenditious edit. Here is the diff. If another admin feels I have exceeded my authority they are free to revert. Manning (talk) 08:28, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I have now blocked User:76.73.141.205 for the same reasons as the above. Manning (talk) 05:44, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Ms Parker was recently featured in the Montgomery Advertiser for being a well known celebrity interviewer who is also the ownwer of her own national magazine Smashing Interviews at smashinginterviews,con http://www.topix.com/forum/city/montgomery-al/TCQSME8HI4PNLPRQ6 She interviews at least two major celebrities a week on this site and a quick search on Google News will bring back many of these current interviews. She has been mentioned by TV Guide, FOX, CBS etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.227.255.251 (talk) 01:06, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

There's no point in posting a red-link. If she's truly notable, she might qualify for her own article, and then maybe could be posted here. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:26, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

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