Talk:Präsident

"The manufacture of cars continued in Kopřivnice till 1998 with the last car Tatra T700."

Weren't the T603 and its successors made in Příbor instead? --Gwafton (talk) 15:14, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

The first factory-made car of Austria-Hungary?

It was the first actually driveble factory made petrol-engined automobile produced in Austria-Hungary as well as in Central and Eastern Europe

It is highly doubtful if Nw Präsident really was the first onein Austria-Hungary. See this link: [1] (Automatic translation: [2]). The article says that for some unknown reason Tatra counts the start of the automible production from the date when the Benz Phaeton, which was used as basis of Präsident, arrived in Nesselsdorf/Kopřivnice, not from the date when Präsident was finished, as it should be. It also says that the car left the factory at the last moment and it was driven straight to the exhibition in Vienna. In addition, there was the Marcus' car (as mentioned) and also two Lohner cars. Therefore, it looks like Lohner was the first factory made Austro-Hungarian car, not Präsident. --Gwafton (talk) 18:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

That is a question I was asking myself when writing this article too. The problem with the link you provided is, that the person is also merely asking himself this question, he is not answering it. I tried to find an answer to it, but to no avail. It would probably need some work in the archive.

When I was in Wallachian Open Air museum I was amazed by the fact to what extent the Mylord original coach was similar to the car design. The fact how little it differed begs the question, why would the production process take so long, especially if they had the Benz original to copy. The theory I personally have is, that they probably first made a direct copy, which they later improved, which is also the reason why they came late for the exhibition in Vienna. It is hard to imagine that the very first design they made would have such a differences from the Benz original, such as use of handlebars for steering and especially use of functional front bumper. These are things that take experience and testing to implement, not just imagination which would allow them to be incorporated for the first time just before taking 300kms ride to Vienna. But that is only what I think is the most probable. Finding a source answering the issue would be helpful. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 20:40, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

The other sources mention that the car went through excessive testing. It is possible that NW had such problems in the car project that they could not solve before. As the link above says, none of the participants of the project had previous knowledge about automobiles (although Rumpler and Ledwinka became well-known automotive designers after), they were just talented technicians. One possibility for the source of the problems was the transmission.

I think the edit you made to the article is ok, it is good to mention Lohner as well. But wWe cannot say which one was the first Austro-Hungarian factory-made car before we find a reliable source that explains the issue. --Gwafton (talk) 21:55, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

What solution do you propose? BTW the sources used in the article do claim that Präsident was the first factory-made in A-H/CEE.Cimmerian praetor (talk) 07:19, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I find it ok as it is now. Another possible way to put it could be something like "Präsident is claimed to be the first Austro-Hungarian factory made car". This is faithful to the sources which claim so. --Gwafton (talk) 21:46, 8 September 2011 (UTC)