Talk:Petrozavodsk

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Äänislinna

I do not know how many times it must be repeated, but during the "Continuation War 1941 - 1944" the orders from Finnish Government were clear, no changes in place names in occupied area are allowed in any form. Only the Karelian (and of course Finnish) names were allotted because all places had original Karelian / Finnish names. The name Äänislinna was a result of an Finnish Yleisradio (state controlled radio as British BBC) reporter who reported on the morning on October 1, 1941 the advance of Finnish troops to Petroskoi, in direct radio sending "that our troops are just marching into Äänisenlinnaan", (The Castle of Ääninen) in his patriotic radiosending. Thus the name came from spontanic individual person and spread quickly to common use in form Äänislinna. It was found very difficult to return to use Karelian Petroskoi, so Finnish Government decided to let the name be as it was. Finnish Government had nothing to do with the born of name Äänislinna. If claimed so, it is pure Russian propaganda. Koskenala, Lotinanpelto, Kontupohja, Karhumäki, Poventsa, Vitele and Aunuksenkaupunki remained as they were. When the military railway from Uuksu to Mäkriä 110 km was completed in 1943 the railway station of Aunuksenkaupunki (The Town of Aunus) was named Aunuksenlinna (Castle of Aunus) and this become the name of also Aunuksenkaupunki in general use. Thus the committee of Finnish names recommended also its use offically. From the Russian editor of this article it has remained unnoticed that from Karjalan Työkansan Kommuuni to Karjalais-Suomalalainen Autonominen Neuvostotasavalta and its later name versions had two offical languages, Russian and Finnish languages as long as the Soviet Union existed. In addition Suojujoki is quite far away from Lohijoki. Quite a Republic this Respublika Karelija where only Russian names are used for the main article. Petroskoi comes from Petrovskij zavod, which was pronounced to the Karelians as Petrovskoi zavotta. When a small tiny settlement was formed around the zavotta, which was founded in August 1703, the Karelians started to use of it the name Petrovskoi and later the v was dropped out to become Petroskoi which it is for Karelians, Finns and Estonians today. More than six million people use Petroskoi name. By the way this zavotta was founded on the mouth of Lohijoki which flows even today through Petroskoi. Lohijoki is in English language Salmon River. The Russian version of Lohijoki is Lososinka, Tiny Salmon. Suolusmäki become Russian Sulazhgora, etc.

On January 1 / 14, 1913 there were 2.000 inhabitants at Aunus / Olonets and the total population of Petroskoi was only 14.000.

The Finnish Army left Äänislinna undisturbed without any battles and only next day the Red Army poured in Petroskoi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.117.248 (talk) 21:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

• Regardless of the origin of the name Äänislinna, it was officially used on postmarks and postal registration receipts. See, e.g. here. --Bejnar (talk) 23:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Removal of Russian citizens of Petrozavodsk to concentration camp

Talk:World War II evacuation and expulsion#Removal of Russian citizens of Petrozavodsk to concentration camp Xx236 (talk) 07:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Petrozavodsk view

Hi all! I have done a some picture with views of Petrozavodsk. What is you opinion?

from upper left:The Petrozavodsk railway station,Monument to Lenin, Alexander Nevsky Cathedral , Monument to Peter I , Petrozavodsk State University,Interior Ministry building on Karl Marx Avenue, Drama Theatre building

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Concentration camps

I note the passage on concentration cmps:

On 14 October 1941, occupation authorities opened the first concentration camp. By the liberation of Petrozavodsk there were 11 concentration camps.<ref>Веригин С. Г. Карелия в годы военных испытаний: Политическое и социально-экономическое положение Советской Карелии в период Второй мировой войны 1939—1945 гг. — Петрозаводск: Изд-во ПетрГУ, 2009. — 544 с.</ref>

I don't read Russian and cannot judge the trustworthiness of the source, but I am a bit wary: my impression is that Russian authorities are not that meticulous with the truth, when political ends suggest stretching it. I am aware that the Finnish did not always behave exemplarily and I mostly believe the article East Karelian concentration camps, which also cites Finnish works. Here however, the term "concentration camp" makes an association to the German extermination camps, and the nature of the camps is not explained.

Could we please make the wording more specific, explaining what the camps were used for and what the real consequences were for the detained. I assume there was a big tragedy, but it deserves a better treatment than guilt by association. Using also Finnish sources would make the description more trustworthy.

–LPfi (talk) 21:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)