Talk:Passports of the European Economic Area

Common design

The common design has nothing to do with the EEA. Only EU passports have a common design. There is nothing notable about EEA passports collectively. Obviously they can be used to exercise a citizens right to free movement, as with any travel documentation. Rob984 (talk) 18:27, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Passports of the European Union adequately covers the common design within the EU. Free Movement of Citizens Directive adequately covers the right to free movement within the EEA. What is the point in this article? Rob984 (talk) 18:30, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

It is one of the most notable passport groups in the world, practically all airports and land crossings within the EEA have a dedicated EEA passports lane - [1] [2] [3] so it is definitely an important and notable subject on its own.--Twofortnights (talk) 18:37, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Passport groups? What? That's because EEA citizens can use any valid travel documentation, they don't need a visa/other addition travel documentation, and the travel documentation can be automatically scanned if it is machine readable. Most, if not all countries have separate lanes for returning citizens. In the EEA, you are always a returning citizen, as you are a citizen of the EEA.

Regardless, what is this article suppose to convey? What can you collectively say about EEA passports? Why is 95% of this article copied from Passports of the European Union?

Rob984 (talk) 18:53, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Their own citizens, here we are talking about a group of passports.

Because 95% of the EEA are the EU member states. But it's still not the same thing.--Twofortnights (talk) 18:59, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

No, we're talking about a group of citizens. A passport is only one type of travel documentation that can be used within the EEA.

This is an article about a single piece of travel documentation and how it is used in a free movement area... which unsurprisingly is exactly the same as any other piece of travel documentation.

The EEA's free movement principle is already sufficiently covered at multiple other articles: Internal market#Free movement of people, European Economic Area, and Free Movement of Citizens Directive.

What is this article suppose to convey to the reader?

And why is the EU's common passport design mentioned in this article?

Rob984 (talk) 20:00, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Well it's supposed to convey that there is a group of passports called "Passports of the European Economic Area". Not every article is explaining the purpose of life, some articles are about rather trivial things, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be here.

Because the EU passports make up 95% of EEA passports.--Twofortnights (talk) 20:46, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

This article is about passports, not about entry requirements. Besides, the priority lanes are usually for EEA+CH citizens, not just EEA citizens. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:53, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

This article covers all aspects regarding EEA passports, you can't just barge in and demand that some of the aspects be left out. As for the second ascertainment, yes that is correct, yet that doesn't change anything, it just means EEA passports are grouped at borders with Swiss passports and this should also be noted.--Twofortnights (talk) 22:16, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

So this article covers Passports of the European Union + 5%? The passports of the EU have a common design, hence why they have an article. Passports of the EEA do not. It's like having an article on Driving licences of the European Economic Area which discusses how the EEA has common road safety policy. A passport is just a type of travel document. Many EEA citizens travel throughout the EEA without a passport. All this article conveys is that a passport can be used to exercise free movement within the EEA, which is obvious to considering the purpose of a passport is as international travel documentation. Rob984 (talk) 23:26, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Well that's how it is, is not just regarding passports, it's simply how many member states the EU has and how many member states the EEA has, just because it's 95-5 at the moment doesn't make it less relevant. As for the common design, by that logic the EU has no common design either because Croatia has a different passport design. And no, I am sorry but you are missing the point. This article is part of the series CARICOM passport, Andean passport, Central America-4 passport, ECOWAS passport. I agree this article isn't the most important article on Wikipedia however you failed to convince me that it should be removed altogether.--Twofortnights (talk) 00:59, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

The EU has regulations for the design of passports. Croatia has not yet applied all EU provisions, notably those surrounding free movement.

The EEA has no common design. I don't think it matters that 95% of the EEA has a common design, the EEA itself does not. It's like claiming the Schengen Area has a common passport design because 95% of it is part of the EU.

Those other articles refer to areas with common passport designs per regulations. The EEA has no common passport design per its own regulations.

Rob984 (talk) 09:24, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

That should all be noted.--Twofortnights (talk) 09:44, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

EEA passports issued in member states which are not members of the EU doesn't share the common design, but they do however apply common security features etc. Biometrics are standardized throughout the entire area. An example is that Norwegian passports issued between 1 Jan and 16 Jan 2015 did not fulfill new the newest technical specifications of the EEA and hence had restricted validity. These standards apply though the entire EEA, not just EU passports.

The fact that Norway didn't apply by EU standards until January would in fact imply that there is no standardisation across the EEA. Obviously, for EEA citizens to exercise there right to free movement within the EU, there passport should comply with EU standards. Entering Norway clearly didn't require the same standards as the EU considering. Rob984 (talk) 18:53, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

As far as I can see he said "between 1 Jan and 16 Jan 2015" not "until January 2015" so it was some temporary issue that caused passports issued in that period to have restricted validity due to non conformity with EEA rules.--Twofortnights (talk) 20:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh right, sorry. Is there an source for a EEA regulation? EEA regulatory standards for passports would be appropriate content for this page (removing EU-only design features). Rob984 (talk) 20:25, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Content

Hi Twofortnights,

So I figure this article is suppose to be correspond with National identity cards in the European Economic Area. However when this article was created in 2012, the content was simply copied from Passports of the European Union#Use, and without attribution. Since then more content has be copied, including Passports of the European Union#Common design features, again without attribution. I wouldn't be surprised if this article meets the criteria for speedy deletion per WP:CSD:

"A recently created article with no relevant page history that duplicates an existing English Wikipedia topic, and that does not expand upon, detail or improve information within any existing article(s) on the subject, and where the title is not a plausible redirect."

But anyway, the common design does not apply to non-EU countries. Resolution No. 2252:

"Council Regulation (EC) No 2252/2004 on standards for security features and biometrics in passports and travel documents issued by Member States".

EU states have a burgundy red colour, Iceland's and Liechtenstein's are blue. EU passports are French and English. The Norwegian Passport is only in Norwegian and English. There are probably many other differences, such as the number of pages. However, all Biometric EEA/Swiss passports can be used in ePassport gates in the UK, so there must be common features, just not as expansive as for EU passports.

A big problem with this article is that anything added to this article will also be relevant at Passports of the European Union.

Also the common design and security features of national identity cards similarly only applies to EU states:

Council of the European Union: Draft Resolution of the Representatives of the Governments of the Member States meeting within the Council on common minimum security standards for Member States’ national identity cards

I really think we need to somehow restructure these three articles. Something like: Travel documentation in the European Economic Area, Passports of the European Union, National Identity cards of the European Union. The First article could cover the usage of passports and national ID cards throughout the EEA, which is harmonised, while the latter two could cover the common EU design.

Rob984 (talk) 08:24, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Your analysis is correct, Rob984.

Normally I would favour merging the less inclusive article into the one with broader scope. However, in this case, I can not see any common features whatever (other than those dictated by the physical laws of the universe and international bodies like ICAO) between the passports of the EEA once you have subtracted the EU passports to leave those of Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein. Consequently this article should be deleted. BushelCandle (talk) 02:17, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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Merge

If no one protests I will merge this article with the article about passports of the European Union for two reasons:

• There is no such thing as EEA passports, it is a concept invented here by some Wikipedian. In particular, there is no common EEA passport design like there is for EU passports. However, a reader of this article easily gets the opposite impression.
• Almost all information in this article is also found in the article about Passports of the European Union. The content missing in that article can easily be summarized in a new, short section. This article is redundant.

See also the discussion above from 2015 where a similar conclusion was drawn. --Glentamara (talk) 18:40, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Just another thing: Why is Switzerland included in this article? It does not even belong to EEA. --Glentamara (talk) 18:51, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

This article should definitely not be deleted. There is one about EU passports https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passports_of_the_European_Union and one about EU candidate countries passports https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passports_issued_by_the_European_Union_candidate_states. (which btw makes little sense; candidate countries passports are not bound by any EU rules regarding design, security features etc, neither do their citizens have uniform visa policy/requirements like EEA and EU citizens) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jezijezz (talk • contribs) 10:30, 3 January 2018 (UTC)