Talk:Pass the Kouchie

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 01:45, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that when "Pass the Kouchie" was reworked as "Pass the Dutchie" specifically to avoid cannabis references for Musical Youth, dutchie eventually became a drug reference? Source: Ipolitics
  • ALT1: ... that though "Pass the Kouchie" was banned by the government of Jamaica from radio for endorsing illegal cannabis use, it still made it to Number 1 in the charts? Source: Lincoln Journal Star

• Reviewed: Flat-roofed pub
• Comment: For Cannabis Day (20 April). I will say I do not endorse drug use.

Moved to mainspace by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 19:05, 10 March 2021 (UTC).

• This is just outside the 7 day nomination window, but I think WP:IAR applies here. QPQ always helps. Still new enough, long enough, and neutral. I think there's a potential issue with the sources: the source you use at the top of the nomination isn't in the article. I think there's an obvious case to be made here for the evolving slang, but it just needs to be spelled out in the article itself. It would be helpful if there was a reference in the article, instead of a "citation needed".
• The suggested hook is better than ALT1, but could use some clean up. Would you accept:

• ALT2: ... that after Musical Youth reworked the song "Pass the Kouchie" into "Pass the Dutchie" by replacing cannabis references with food references, the word "dutchie" later became a cannabis reference?

• Needs some work but on the right track. Shooterwalker (talk) 21:34, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

• @Shooterwalker: Just checking you know its nominated as a mainspacing, not a new article? Also, the Ipolitics source is in there, it's reference 11. There is no "citation needed"? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 21:51, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

• Ah that's my mistake. I had written that this was well cited, but then I accidentally ended up at the article for the remake song, and changed my comment when I saw "citation needed". I thought my mind was playing tricks on me. The original song article is well cited and clear. How do you feel about ALT2? Shooterwalker (talk) 23:56, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

• @Shooterwalker: It does seem OK, I would say I do think that stating it was avoiding drug references but inadvertantly became one is quite hooky but alt2 seems OK with me. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:49, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

• I think it still comes across with ALT2, but you could take one more shot at it with an ALT3. What would you like to do? Shooterwalker (talk) 15:12, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

• I've thought and realised any reword would probably be like to original and implication is indeed there so I am OK to accept ALT2 @Shooterwalker:. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

• I think we can proceed with ALT2. Good work on this one. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:26, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Number one in Jamaica?

As far as I know, Jamaica never had any official music charts in 1982... I'm not sure it does even now in 2021. So I don't know what "number one" refers to in this case. Richard3120 (talk) 19:54, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@The C of E: "source says it was" doesn't answer the question... if Jamaica had no music charts in 1982 (which is almost certainly the case, as very few countries outside of North America and Europe did at that time), then what chart was it number one on? Newspapers very often say "was a number one hit" when it wasn't, because they can't be bothered to do any research. Richard3120 (talk) 20:40, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@Richard3120: The paper did say number one sales, which I had interpreted as number one charts. I have reworded it now to avoid misunderstanding. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:44, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I think that's better... it's very likely that "number one" means either most requested song on Jamaican radio or most popular in Jamaican record shops. I'm actually happy that someone made this article – I remember when "Pass the Dutchie" was number one when I was young and it was widely reported that it was based on a song called "Pass the Kouchie", but there was never any information about it. Richard3120 (talk) 20:48, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I found that too when I was looking for sources about it @Richard3120:. It's difficult to find info about it beyond the statement that "Pass the Dutchie" was based on it. I still find it funny that they reworded it specifically to avoid the drug references, but everyone in the UK thought it was one regardless! The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:57, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that's true... I was 12 at the time, but even at that age everyone knew what it was really about! Richard3120 (talk) 20:58, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Everybody Knew

Well you may consider that reference reliable (reference number 10), but I can assure you that at the time everybody in London knew the song was originally about cannabis and its being about drugs was widely discussed in the media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.83.235 (talk) 00:17, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Even though I agree with you (see the post above), our personal experiences aren't verifiable and count as original research... This statement is basically WP:IKNOWIT and can't be accepted as fact on Wikipedia. Richard3120 (talk) 01:01, 20 April 2021 (UTC)