Talk:One of These Nights (Red Velvet song)

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RfC about including the Hanja

This is a song based on Korean traditions. If we're going to include the Hangul, we may as well include the Hanja as well. For me, its not a matter of whether or not the Hanja is necessary, but we should include it out of respect. Bladebuster700 (talk) 02:30, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

• Have you two tried to, let's say, discuss the matter before rushing to escalate it to an RfC? – Uanfala (talk) 11:39, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I hope you'll understand it's redundant. In this case the hangul shows the Korean title and it's already done its job. All sources used and most articles written about it didn't use the Hanja. SM Entertainment's official posts about it didn't use the Hanja. The official album details, MV, etc. didn't use the Hanja. If the company itself didn't deem it necessary, then isn't it presumptuous to have it there ourselves? There is no indication that the Hanja is necessary, just that you want it there 'as a cool feature' or 'out of respect' which I don't really think are sufficient reasons. Not even the Korean wiki uses Hanja. I'm of course open to what other editors have to say, but at the moment, going by how the Korean articles have been written here, it's unnecessary to me. Lonedirewolf 12:18, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

First of all, I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, so pardon my ignorance of the etiquette on here. Isn't the purpose of the RfC to discuss disputes? Also, alright, if the official sources use the Hangul, then I suppose we should go by the official sources. (Although just for the record, AFAIK there isn't a Korean wiki page for this song, just saying.) Bladebuster700 (talk) 17:54, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

You'll notice that it is written in the album's page and they didn't include the Hanja right next to the title. Not like other articles that do include them, such as people. There are also very few instances where you'll find the Hanja in the middle of the article for some words or names and not just the header, but not this one. Because it's not needed nor was it mentioned. You said it yourself Hanja is used in limited circumstances and that's the point. They use Hanja for cases such as when there is a need or iirc in some cases, street signs and whatnot. P.S When other editors remove your edits, there's usually a good reason and if you want to add something to articles that you've noticed most articles here don't do, it's best you open a discussion or ask others who have been here longer since like you said you're new. We're open to helping you out, just ask. When other users started here they didn't know the rules either but eventually learned or was told what to do/not to do. Just try and remember that next time, good day. Lonedirewolf 19:54, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I mean like I also said, the debate over Hanja is still going on today, and its decline in everyday usage is a relatively recent phenomenon. As an ethnic Korean, I personally think the decline in Hanja was a mistake and I would like to see it used more in everyday Korea, but I digress. Who knows what the future will hold, though. Anyways, thank you for your kind words, my friend. If I may ask, is there a place to open discussions in the future before I open a RfC?Bladebuster700 (talk) 20:33, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I understand. But sadly it is not our place here on this particular site to decide if even in the country itself its importance and everyday use is debated. Our only job here is to compile and provide information verified with reliable sources. If you do want to open a discussion, the talk page of the article in question is usually a good place to start. Editors who frequent WikiProject Korea are likely to see it and possibly provide their input. Lonedirewolf 20:49, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Ah, I see, thank you. Also, is there a way to close an RfC upon reaching consensus? Bladebuster700 (talk) 21:10, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Just remove the tag Lonedirewolf 21:19, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Ah, thank you. Bladebuster700 (talk) 21:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Hanja is unnecessary, I dont know whats with this user and his obsession with including Hanja everywhere (including transliterating the nickname at the South Korea national football team), not only its redundant to include more than one transliterations, Hanja is not even used in South Korea anymore since the 1970s (very limited use), the official script of the country is Hangul and we dont need anything more for something as basic as the song title. Snowflake91 (talk) 12:52, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

First of all, I don't know what's with you and your obsession over me and following me around removing my edits. Look, I don't mean to sound rude or condescending, just please stop. Secondly, whether or not it's necessary or redundant isn't the problem. Hanja is still officially used in South Korea, albeit in limited circumstances, and it was used up to the 90s (look at some newspapers). Even today the debate over whether or not to use Hanja is still going on in Korea. If we're going to include the Hangul, I feel we should include Hanja when possible, it is an essential part of Korea and Korean culture. Just for the record, I am ethnically Korean myself, and I personally think that the decline in Hanja was a mistake in Korea (though I won't get into an argument on here). However, because official sources use only the Hangul, I'll concede, at least for this article. Just for the record though, the Korean wiki article for the national soccer team's nickname does include the Hanja. Just saying. Bladebuster700 (talk) 17:54, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

So, to summarize: because you think that Hanja should still be widely used in Korea and that abolishing Hanja was a mistake, we should start including Hanja next to every single Hangul text everywhere on Wikipedia out of "respect"? And Im not "following you around", I got a notice about this discussion on my talk page, while the other couple of pages where I removed hanja were on my watchlist. And ko:대한민국 축구 국가대표팀 does not use Hanja neither in the lead section (like you added at en wiki) neither in the "nickname" parameter in the infobox, so I dont know where do you see it. Snowflake91 (talk) 22:53, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

No, my reasoning is more than just that. The whole point of Wikipedia is to allow free speech and sharing of information. I'd like to point out that there is a reason other users include Hanja on their pages. And it's not "every single Hangul text", only Hangul that have equivalent Hanja. Besides, why not include the Hanja? I don't think that "just because it's redundant" is really a good enough reason in my opinion. The point of Wikipedia is to inform the reader. Are a couple of extra characters really that big of a deal? And I wasn't referring to ko:대한민국 축구 국가대표팀, I was referring to ko:태극전사. Look, I already reached consensus with the other user, and I'm a busy man and got better things to do than argue over the internet. Good day sir. Bladebuster700 (talk) 23:56, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

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