Talk:Nuclear power phase-out

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The phrase "no small irony" looks surprising in an encyclopaedic article. --129.206.90.2 (talk) 09:14, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Misleading title

Looking at the examples given, most of them appear to be of nations announcing plans not to build any (more) nuclear plants. Either the title should reflect this, or we restrict the examples given to nations which are phasing out nuclear power entirely. Which would be none. --Pete (talk) 23:13, 1 December 2014 (UTC) Have to laugh at the recent edit to Switzerland. It's like saying I'm going to phase out my wife by not marrying another one. That's not a phase out. --Pete (talk) 02:17, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Laugh at other editors contribution? →read Wikipedia:Etiquette, so cut it out!

A nuclear power phase-out is the discontinuation of usage of nuclear power for energy production. That's how the article defines the term in its very first sentence. If you disagree, then what would be the more appropriate definition?

Analogy: Sorry, your "my wife"-analogy is inappropriate. Unless divorced, a marriage continues by default until the wife's or husband's death, while nuclear reactors need to be re-licensed to continue operation. In the case of the Swiss nuclear phase out, the first reactor will be decommissioned in 2022, without substitution, and five years before the conventional 60 years maximum life-span.

I recently edited the Swiss section of the article, and in fact I didn't change anything related to its meaning. What I did was to expand on the current status (e.g. electricity production by source), re-arranged the order of the paragraphs and added a map, that displays the location of all nuclear power plants. The fact, that you start to complain just now, shows how little you are familiar with the article's content in the first place. Instead of being patronizing, I suggest you actually start to make a useful contribution by citing sources that define the term "nuclear phase-out" the way you want it to be. Otherwise it's just a waste of time. -- Cheers, Rfassbind -talk 09:54, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Sensitive, much? If one phases something out, one gradually stops doing it. Here we see the phrase being used to describe "not increasing". Hence my marriage analogy. Cheers. --Pete (talk) 10:05, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, actually no, when an edit is being laughed at for no sensible reason, then it's rather a clarification. What makes you think the article describes nuclear phase-out as "not increasing"? Where did you get that idea from? What part of "without substitution" (as I wrote above) and "discontinuation of usage" (as I quoted above) is unclear to you? You really don't make any sense at all. -- Cheers, Rfassbind -talk 10:46, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not following the sense of your position. Perhaps you could read and respond directly to what I have said? That would help. --Pete (talk) 19:03, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Sure, maybe we got off the wrong foot. Unfortunately, you have been rather vage and limited in your assertions. I'll try to summarize them - you claimed:

1. The article's title "Nuclear power phase-out" is misleading, as most nations are actually not phasing out nuclear
2. You either want the title to be changed, or most nations removed from the article
3. You define the term phase-out as "gradually stop doing something"
4. You say that most nations (just) announced the intention not to build more nuclear plants, which is too weak to be called a phase out. You even claim that the term phase-out is used in the article as a synonym for not increasing nuclear power.

Did I get that correct? Please let me know if I'm wrong.

• Definition of phase-out: "To remove or relinquish the use of something little by little". So, I basically agree on your definition. However, this is a process with an intention – and not a certainty about a final state. The process may indeed be abandoned.
• What conditions (certainties) do you require for a nuclear phase out to be a real one?
• Which nations in the article do not meet those conditions?
• You mentioned Switzerland explicitly. If Switzerland does not phase out nuclear, could you explain why you think so (instead of using an inappropriate analogy)?

I will disregard your statement that phase-out is being used for "not increasing", as I may have misunderstood what "increasing" refers to. Hope you can enlighten me. -- Cheers, Rfassbind -talk 23:27, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Thx for never responding, Pete;)... guess laughing is less troublesome than to enter into a serious argument, right? If there is anything I can do to further improve the article, please let me know. Cheers, -- Rfassbind -talk 00:05, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

2011 2014 coal consumption

I checked the source 36 and actually it says that Germany uses less coal. Please correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:6B0:1:1041:1D4E:2E23:1EDC:52B9 (talk) 17:37, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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