Talk:North American Supporters' Trophy
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Name? edit
Can anybody provide a reliable source for this new name? The official website still says "Supporters’ Cup", although that's out of date. A Google search reveals only speculative reddit posts and links to this page. Without a source, we should revert this to the last verifiable name for the trophy. SixFourThree (talk) 17:15, 12 August 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree
Requested move 20 October 2016 edit
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The result of the move request was: No consensus. The latest info to be found was at the NASL's so-called "dead link", which led me to this page. That latest info was in the "2014 Media Guide" and made one single mention of the "Woosnam Cup". Nothing was mentioned in the later media guides. So after about three weeks, this request has not garnered a consensus. There is no predjudice in regard to any future title rename requests provided that there is new, reliably sourced information. (page mover non-admin) Paine u/c 14:08, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
North American Supporters' Trophy → Supporters' Cup – We have no sources confirming that the new name was ever official beyond one rumor that it was to be announced, so we should revert to the last confirmed name. SixFourThree (talk) 17:09, 20 October 2016 (UTC)--Relisting. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 09:24, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
- how about NASL supporters' cup small case since no-one knows if there will be one or what it will be called. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:48, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
- Do we have support for any official name? Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:46, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- The only support we have at all is the organizing group's social media, which still says Supporters' Cup[1] (although it still uses Woosnam Cup as its URL.[2]). But those accounts are years out of date - perhaps this trophy should be marked as dormant or abandoned? SixFourThree (talk) 15:15, 24 October 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree
- If it has not been presented, and has not news or RSes, then it should be. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:01, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- That shouldn't affect this move, though - should it? Change the lede to "The Supporters' Cup was a proposed annual award given to the North American Soccer League team...", with a note about how their site and social media went dormant. The article name should still be changed, since there's nothing to suggest a new name was adopted. SixFourThree (talk) 15:50, 25 October 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree
- Or maybe if this is actually defunct, the article should be Woosnam Cup, since that's the name used in the only legitimate source, and the Supporters Cup still used it. Help me out, is the policy to preserve the final name of something or the most enduring one? SixFourThree (talk) 17:27, 25 October 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree
- Sorry, yes. That was my point. We need to know that the subject is (or was) notable. If it has been renamed, we should move the article. If we can't find more sources, deletion may be appropriate, but I suspect it's clearly notable. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:24, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
- I think it passes the notability test, since the league itself has mentioned it (in our dead link) and the potential renaming was covered. But it also seems dead, and we need to correct the name. Do we have consensus for those two steps? SixFourThree (talk) 19:01, 31 October 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree
- Sorry, yes. That was my point. We need to know that the subject is (or was) notable. If it has been renamed, we should move the article. If we can't find more sources, deletion may be appropriate, but I suspect it's clearly notable. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:24, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
- If it has not been presented, and has not news or RSes, then it should be. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:01, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- The only support we have at all is the organizing group's social media, which still says Supporters' Cup[1] (although it still uses Woosnam Cup as its URL.[2]). But those accounts are years out of date - perhaps this trophy should be marked as dormant or abandoned? SixFourThree (talk) 15:15, 24 October 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree
- Do we have support for any official name? Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:46, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- It's clear to me that Supporters' Cup is the common name and should be used barring other evidence. ONR (talk) 19:29, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
- How did that become clear to you? What sources did you devour to come to that conclusion? Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:26, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
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Dormancy edit
The organization's website and social media have not been updated since the 2014 season. In our move conversation, there was consensus that the award has become dormant, so I'm noting that in the text. The last winner recognized by the organization's website is in 2014, so the table has now been updated to reflect that. The website also speaks to its proposed nature: "this trophy will be created", "We plan to", "The tentative target" etc, which I'm also noting in the opening para. If any of the plans ever come to fruition, if an award is designed and created, we can change it then. SixFourThree (talk) 16:15, 21 November 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree