Talk:Normansville, New York

One article, one topic

   The first sentence is false, committing something closely related to the fallacy of equivocation:

Normansville is a hamlet in the town of Bethlehem and a neighborhood in the city of Albany, Albany County, New York.

Its author's exact mental process may have involved confusion about the relationship between the title and topic of a WP article. That is, they may have been misled into believing that the mandated coincidence between

the title,

and

early words in the lead sent

is about them representing the same thing: a phrase something like a dictionary entry's head item (a word), which has the roles both of the name of the entry and the subject of the entry. But here, the title is the name of the topic (and of the article), but the topic/subject is not the word, and the article/entry is not about the word. In contrast to dictionaries, the phrase that re-evokes the title functions in that sentence not as the name of the topic, but as the name of the thing whose nature is the subject of the article. The author seems to have wanted to say that

Normansville is the name of two entities...

but instead what they wrote implies that

Normanswville is a single entity ...

(as is implicit in using the singular verb "is")

... that has two statuses, namely [... etc].

And that is clearly not the situation. Actually, N'v'l is a community and Omnia Normansvillica in dues partes divisa est, one of these parts having one status and one having the other. We could deal with this anomaly by having one article on the hamlet and one on the neighborhood, and replacing the existing page with a Dab'n page that links to the two articles, but the significance of the two parts seems insufficient to justify either the weight of that apparatus nor the duplication of content. Of course, as to my assessment of disproportionality, YMMV, and i don't expect to revert any such solution (as i would any replacement that exhibits the same confusions as the revision i'm replacing).
--Jerzy•t 04:48, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Um... extremely convoluted and confusing... but basically- Normansville is a single entity with two statuses. It was a single hamlet in Bethlehem until the state annexed the northern portion to the city of Albany and which point you cant call the northern portion a part of ANY hamlet, because by definition a hamlet in the state of NY can not exist inside a city, only within a town. The northern portion inside the city is considered a neighborhood of the city and continues to use the Normansville name and has a common history with the southern section. Two separate articles would be redundant and unnecessary and in fact I would say the way the article is, is just fine.Camelbinky (talk) 08:46, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

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Major change

As of today (July 5, 2018), the official site of the Town of Bethlehem lists seven hamlets within the Town's borders. Normansville is not one of them (see https://www.townofbethlehem.org/432/Community-Profile). Therefore, I have edited the article to: (a) remove all references to Normansville as a hamlet within the Town of Bethlehem; and (b) reflect that Normansville includes one neighborhood in Albany and one in Bethlehem. SunCrow (talk) 00:38, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

The town of Bethlehem is not the "official decider" of what is or isnt a hamlet. The NYSDOT has a hamlet sign letting you know when you enter it. A hamlet is an unincorporated village, not a neighborhood, and other than subdivisions that are built by companies, there are no "neighborhoods" in a town in NY.67.142.112.20 (talk) 18:04, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

67.142.112.20, in a recent edit summary, you described some of my edits to this page as "vandalism". That is not true, and it is not appreciated. I would refer you to WP:AGF. In regard to your assertion that "the town of Bethlehem is not the 'official decider'" of what is or is not a hamlet, my answer is: Who or what is the official decider? It's not entirely clear. You imply that the state DOT is the "official decider"; however, I refer you to a Wikipedia page that you yourself have mentioned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_New_York_(state)#Hamlet. That page says, "the term 'hamlet" is not defined under New York law". So I don't see how a state agency can be the official arbiter of what constitutes a hamlet. On a related note, the Wikipedia page entitled List of census-designated places in New York (state) does not list Normansville.

In light of all this, my question is: Is there a current, reliable source that identifies Normansville as a hamlet? I haven't seen one. Until I do, I do not believe Normansville should be referred to as a hamlet on this page when the town where it's located does not consider it to be one. Instead, it should be referred to as a former hamlet. I have edited the page accordingly. SunCrow (talk) 17:16, 29 July 2019 (UTC)