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Feedback on article This article could use more depth in the history and more depth in how it beneficial to someone. Also what are the range of exercises and tasks that one would perform for this nature therapy? I believe this article just lacks depth and it would be beneficial to do more research and possible add another topic.

Mdarrow18 (talk) 18:10, 13 March 2019 (UTC)Madison Darrow

Contested deletionEdit

This article should not be speedy deleted as being recently created, having no relevant page history and duplicating an existing English Wikipedia topic, because Forest Therapy has nothing to do with 'forest bathing'. While 'forest bathing' is not an established evidence-based Public health approach, Forest Therapy is a medical practice substantiated by hundreds of research articles across the world published in peer-reviewed articles about its effectiveness.

Please see the list of references given in the article on Forest Therapy, in particular:

[1][2][3] [4] [5] [6].

References

  1. ^ Hansen, M. M., Jones, R., & Tocchini, K. (2017) Shinrin-Yoku and Nature Therapy: A State-of-the-Art Review. International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health, 14(8), 851.
  2. ^ Chun, M. H., Chang, M. C., & Lee, S. J. (2017). The effects of forest therapy on depression and anxiety in patients with chronic stroke, International Journal of Neuroscience, 127(3), 199-203. [1]
  3. ^ Ideno, Y., et al. (2017). "Blood pressure-lowering effect of Shinrin-yoku: a systematic review and meta-analysis." BMC Complementary and Alternative Medicine 17(1): 409.
  4. ^ Oh, B., Lee, K. J., Zaslawski, C., Yeung, A., Rosenthal, D., Larkey, L., & Back, M. (2017). Health and well-being benefits of spending time in forests: systematic review. Environmental Health and Preventive Medicine, 22(1), 71. [2]
  5. ^ Kamioka, H., et al. (2012). "A systematic review of randomized controlled trials on curative and health enhancement effects of forest therapy." Psychology Research and Behaviour Management 5: 85-95.
  6. ^ Karjalainen, E., Sarjala, T., & Raitio, H. (2010). Promoting human health through forests: overview and major challenges. Environmental Health and Preventive Medicine, 15(1), 1-8. [3]

Thank you kindly for your consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasserlurchi (talkcontribs) 01:29, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Please sign and date your posts. This is basic etiquette here in WP, as basic as "please" and "thank you". With regard to the objection, Same thing, different wrinkle. Jytdog (talk) 01:50, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Contested deletionEdit

This article should not be speedy deleted as being recently created, having no relevant page history and duplicating an existing English Wikipedia topic, because:

not only has it just gone through the WP:AFC process and deserves more of a chance than a speedy, but it obviously adds significant (if somewhat waffling) content and a lot of references that are not in the very short, two sentence article on Forest bathing. The Nom is completely wrong to apply WP:CSD A10, as this criterion clearly states: This does not include split pages or any article that expands or reorganizes an existing one or that contains referenced, mergeable material. Even if this went to WP:AFD, I predict that the outcome would most definitely be to merge, not to delete. -Nick Moyes (talk) 01:56, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
I do not think the AfC reviewer thought to look under such an odd existing article name; if they had, they surely would have directed the creator to add content there. The other article was here first and was also over-elaborated (see this version) like this one is. They are the same thing (each citing the Japanese term Shinrin-yoku for example), with different names -- the notion that spending time in the forest is therapeutic. (there is also, oddly, Draft:Prairie Bathing) There is content here that could be added there. but the correct answer here is A10. The other answer I would be fine with would be re-draftifying this, now that the creator knows the other article exists. Jytdog (talk) 02:03, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
User:MatthewVanitas, were you aware of Forest bathing, and if not, would you please "unaccept" this? Jytdog (talk) 02:07, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello Jytdog, I was not aware of that other article since it's not an intuitive term to compare. I'm not familiar with any "unaccept" mechanism, though I suppose one could just use Page Move to move it back to Draft namespace. I do think this version has some valid content, and I'll live it to others to conclude whether they should be merged, and if so under what name, etc. I would submit that straight deletion would not be desirable, compared to re-draftification or userification since the page does have useful content that shouldn't just disappear. MatthewVanitas (talk) 02:39, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
User:MatthewVanitas, Yes, the non-drama thing to do, would just be to "unaccept", aka redraftify. Everybody goofs, and undoing a mistake is a normal thing. :) I would not object to that, at all. It was only 2 hours ago or so, after all. Jytdog (talk) 02:47, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Have merged Forest bathing here.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 07:13, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello. I am the founder of the Association of Nature and Forest Therapy Guides and Programs (www.nftg.org). I've studied forest therapy all over the world, and have met with many researchers, guides, and practitioners. I am the primary author of the Scope of Practice and Professional Standards used to train and certifiy forest therapist guides. My organization has trained over 700 guides in 45 countries on six continents, and will train another 300+ in 2019. I am author of "Your Guide to Forest Bathing," and several of the other books on this topic have been written by colleagues who I know personally and whose work I admire very much (for example, Dr. Qing Li at Tokyo University; Dr. Miyazaki at Chiba University). Since the original article was removed and merged into "Nature Therapy" there have been many developments in this field. If I may, I suggest that my expertise on this subject may justify my having some seniority of standing in this discussion. My perspective is (in part): Forest Therapy, Forest Bathing, Shinrin-Yoku, and Sami Lok, are terms that are used interchangeably. However, the practices they denote vary slightly to moderately depending upon culture. For example, in Japan guides give more emphasis to imparting information about scientific studies suggesting there are benefits to being in the forest; in the United States guides tend to give less importance to giving information and focus more on sensory experiences. The essential shape of the practices are similar. I know this from direct experience, having guided and been guided in many countries by guides trained by various schools. It does seem to me that "forest therapy" is evolving toward use in situations where a health care professional has prescribed or suggested the practice, and where it is guided by a qualified, trained guide; and "forest bathing" increasingly denotes when the practice is done by an individual or group, and may or may not be guided, but is not connected to a health care diagnosis. One of the comments above suggests that "it is not an intuitive term," which I think is correct but in a temporary sense. We might have said the same thing about "yoga" 30 or 40 years ago. In the past year the term "forest bathing" in particular appears to have taken hold in the public mind, with no fewer than eight books released in 2018 with "forest bathing" "shinrin yoku" and/or "forest therapy" in the title. My opinion is that it is entirely unjust and mistaken to subsume these under the topic of "nature therapy." Here is an equivalent case: in psychotherapy there are many schools and approaches. Wikipedia has separate articles for quite a few of these. Gestalt Therapy, Depth Psychology, and Object Relations Theory (the three that I randomly checked) each have quite robust individual pages. To apply the same logic that has been applied here, they would all be merged under "psychotherapy" and the content for each greatly reduced, thus rendering them virtually useless to those who seek information about them via Wikipedia. I do agree that the scientific evidence is in early stages of development, but I don't see why that would result in not honoring the validity of the work in progress. I would very much like to see this topic re-established and turned over to those who have actual expertise on the matter. Thank you for your consideration, and I'm happy to stay in the discussion if there are any questions I can answer or clarification I can provide.Amos Clifford (talk) 00:45, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

From my point of view, forest bathing is just nonsense, and deserves the coverage in our project that it currently has, and no more. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 19:00, 6 February 2019 (UTC)-Roxy, the dog. wooF 19:00, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

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Feedback on Nature Therapy Article

This article could use more depth in the history and more depth in how it beneficial to someone. Also what are the range of exercises and tasks that one would perform for this nature therapy? I believe this article just lacks depth and it would be beneficial to do more research and possible add another topic. I like all the different type of categories that you added into your articleJjthakid23 (talk) 03:09, 22 March 2019 (UTC) Also would you be able to give more information on the health effectsJjthakid23 (talk) 03:09, 22 March 2019 (UTC) Mdarrow18 (talk) 18:14, 13 March 2019 (UTC)Madison Darrow

Thank you for this feedback! I am trying to find more information about the history!:) Camimitchell35 (talk) 03:30, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Feedback on nature therapy article I like all of the different variety of different types of therapy. Could you expand more on the history part of the article? This article lacks some research that could still be added. Brycelog (talk) 03:09, 22 March 2019 (UTC)--Brycelog (talk) 03:09, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Bryce! I think this is a good idea; we will try to do that. Thank you!Camimitchell35 (talk) 03:30, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Earthing therapyEdit

For some reason the “Earthing Therapy” article redirects here although there’s no mention of earthing therapy at all in this article – it’s separate and distinct (more related to electrical earthing than nature per se). Perhaps Earthing therapy could have its own article? --SimonEast (talk) 03:47, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

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