Talk:Muwatalli II

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Article expansion

Muwatalli's name is Luwian, not Nesian Hittite proper, and means "mighty" or "valiant." Apparently he also initiated a major (and similarly androcentric) religious reform and administrative overhaul along the lines of Egypt's Akhenaton. Source and more here. -LlywelynII (talk) 11:46, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

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Isn't this King often also called Muwatallish? Shouldn't something about this alternative name be mentioned? --Hibernian 04:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

it's not an alternative name, it's just an inflected form (the nominative). dab (𒁳) 12:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I completely forgot about this page, anyway I've added in the alternate spellings, and created and additional redirect page for Muwatallish --Hibernian 04:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Plea for expansion

This is an amazingly short entry for the hero of the Battle of Kadesh. It may be expanded using material from other wikipedias (for example, Russian). --Ghirla^-трёп- 15:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Name standardization

The possible spellings of Hittite names are too numerous to list all of them. The most popular methodology today is to use 's' for 'sh', and 'h' for the laryngeal. (In the past, these have been normalized as 'sh' and 'kh', but this has fallen by the wayside over time.) A third approach, but more difficult to achieve, is to use 'š' or even 'ş', and a character that isn't available in Wikipedia for the laryngeal (an 'h' with a cupped diacritical under it). It is also standard to show the root stem without the nominative 's' ending. This corresponds with how the Hittites themselves wrote names when they were not attempting to indicate case. Thus 'Muwatalli'. Variants such as 'Muwatallis' and 'Muwatallish' are easily recognized as the same name. Further complicating matters is the inconsistant use of reduplicated consonants, resulting in even more possible readings. Publik (talk) 17:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I have to disagree with this. Although I'm sure what you are saying is technically correct, the fact remains that many publications, TV documentaries, etc, continue to use one of the alternative spellings, and since for many people these will be the only time they've ever heard the name, we need to list these alternatives. Otherwise we get the undesirable situation where someone has read the name Muwatallish in a book, but then cannot find any reference to it on Wikipedia. I don't see what problem there is in having two alternate spellings anyway, it's not like we're running out of space here. --Hibernian (talk) 14:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Your point is rational and understood. I made the changes when looking across multiple articles, and seeing no consistency on variations or even on original article names, and opted for modern standardizations. Another problem with not following a single standard is that people don't understand where they came from. It gives the impression that there were genuinely alternate spellings when in fact, these are the result of modern transcriptions of the source material. "Muwattalli" and "Muwattallis" and "Muwattallish" and "Muwatalli" and "Muwatallis" and "Muwatallish" etc. (can) have the same underlying Hittite.

I'm simply presenting this as my rational, which I still think is sound. I'm not changing anything. To address your point, I would say that you yourself created what I think is a better solution than adding back the alternatives: you created a redirect page that brings you to this article. So people could search on alternate spellings, but still be directed to the correct article. I think that's a great approach. Publik (talk) 07:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

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