Talk:Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru

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• Simular to the I.R.A. in there aims but pathetic in terms of their publicity,size and actual willingness to fight for independance.--Fenian Swine 03:08, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

• Good. I don't want Wales becoming a violent place like Ireland. It's a nice place, but nothing to fight over. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Communisthamster (talk • contribs) 21:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru (Movement for the Defence of Wales), abbreviated as MAC, was a paramilitary Welsh nationalist organisation, modelled to some degree on the Irish Republican Army,

I have edited the "modelled to some degree on the Irish Republican Army" bit out. Have not seen any evidence of them being so apart from they used violence to achieve their aims and that being the case you could say they were modelled on hundreds of other organisations that have done the same thing over the years. As I have said below John Humphries book Freedom Fighters Wales forgotten war says the IRA adopted MAC structure not the other way around. Does anyone have any evidence that states otherwise?93.96.172.229 (talk) 20:35, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I have read that the IRA based their cell structure on the MAC model and not the other way around. Anyone care to comment? 93.96.172.229 (talk) 00:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Read it where? I know very little about MAC, but I doubt the above claim is true.

1. Surely the IRA was around before MAC

2. The numbers of actual MAC members was probably very small, so to talk about it having a 'cell structure' is probably very generous. I'd imagine it's actuall membershiop would be less than around 20 or so and probably split into s little as 3 or four 4 different groups/cells, while by the 1960's the IRA would probably have hundreds of members.--Rhyswynne (talk) 08:17, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I read it in John Humphries book Freedom Fighters Wales forgotten war 1963-1993. It is written in there a few times about the IRA adopting the MAC structure. I know the IRA have been around for a lot longer but that does not mean that they had cell structures before MAC. I think maybe he is talking about the Provisional IRA as opposed to the IRA. The original IRA were more based on an army structure.The provisional IRA were not formed until after MAC in the late 1960's.The provisional IRA did not introduce cells until 1977.93.96.172.229 (talk) 12:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Clywedog Dam

MAC were widely suspected to have been behind the bombing of the Clywedog dam construction site in 1966. I think a mention of this attack would be warranted in this article however I do not know enough about the incident or MAC in general to edit the article myself. Canderra 10:06, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Where was the bombing?

Regarding the guys that blew themselves up. The Welsh nationalism article says:

On the eve of the investiture two members of MAC, Alwyn Jones and George Taylor, died as the bomb they were planting on the railway line to be used by the Royal Train exploded.

This article says:

On 30 June 1969, the evening before the investiture, two members of MAC, Alwyn Jones and George Taylor, were killed when a bomb they had been intending to place in government offices in Abergele exploded prematurely.

Which is correct? --88.111.33.202 16:52, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

The railway line in Abergele. -- Arwel (talk) 17:49, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

As a resident of Abergele at the time the bomb exploded, the deaths occurred behind the library and the comment at the time was "It destroyed a few Tiles (Shingles) on the library wall".Both the library and the local government building a hundred yards behind it (For which the bomb was probably intended)had tiles fixed to the lower section of the building up to ground floor window level.

Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru (Welsh Defence Movement) Movement for the Defence of Wales

I'm not sure that 'Welsh Defence Movement' is an accurate translation of Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru - to me Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru means 'The Movement for the Defence of Wales'. I'm intending to change the translation in a couple of days, depending on the discussion here which I hope will be linguistic or proof that MAC itself used the translation 'Welsh Defence Movement' if not then it needs changing. EoinBach (talk) 02:06, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Your version sounds like the correct one. Adjectives come in the proper place in Welsh, but the rest of the phrase shouldn't change word order. How about "Movement to defend Wales"? (drop the "The"!). TomRawlinson (talk) 19:55, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

'Movement for the defence of Wales' is actually a pretty standard translation, in common usage, and it strikes me as being the best translation available.EoinBach (talk) 10:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

While 'Welsh Defence Movement' might not be a literal translation, it does convey the meaning. I don't know if an English version of the name was used at the time though - I did hace a book called 'The Young Republicans' which might of mentioned it, but I can't find it now. If 'Movement for the defence of Wales' is/was in common usage, then goi suppose it should be changed tough.--Rhyswynne (talk) 15:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I've changed it to 'Movement for the Defence of Wales' which I believe is the best translation. The Welsh in 'Welsh Defence Movement' could be taken as refering to 'Welsh Language' etc where as in Welsh Cymru is unambiguous in refering to Wales. EoinBach (talk) 18:54, 27 October 2008 (UTC)