Talk:Montana (journal)

Magazine title

The correct title of the magazine is Montana The Magazine of Western History, with no colon or comma after Montana. See the magazine's webpage for verification. https://mhs.mt.gov/pubs/Publications/category/magazines Or take my word for it. I worked as an editor of this magazine for 8 years. VanillaBean28 (talk) 22:15, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Fixed with article page move. Thanks for the heads up. Montanabw^(talk) 00:46, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

It is not, the title is Montana, the subtitle is The Magazine of Western History. How to style that is a choice, as JSTOR 4519419 or OCLC 1716802 should make clear. And on Wikipedia, we usually go with a colon. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:11, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

The title is Montana The Magazine of Western History. It is not a "style." There is no "choice" about it. It is the title. I understand that it's weird, and that it breaks the normal rules for colons. But it is the title. JSTOR has it listed wrong. If you don't believe me, here are a number of different sources you can consult.

Montana The Magazine of Western History website: https://mhs.mt.gov/pubs/Publications/category/magazines

Montana The Magazine of Western History Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/MontanaTheMagazineofWesternHistory

Montana Women's History Matters, a partnership with the magazine by MHS historians: http://montanawomenshistory.org/research/womens-history-articles-from-montana-the-magazine-of-western-history/

Call Tammy, the magazine's business manager: (406) 444-4708.

Even JSTOR is subject to errors. Please stop repeating this one. VanillaBean28 (talk) 21:02, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Rather you stop violating Wikipedia's style. We do not follow publisher's ungrammatical styling. I've requested that the page is protected against your WP:COI here. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:21, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I've also requested feedback from WP:JOURNALS and WP:MAGAZINE. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

For what it's worth, both the Library of Congress[1] and Worldcat[2] list the journal's title as 'Montana : the magazine of Western history'. Nsk92 (talk) 22:39, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

And JSTOR, and NLM, and Scopus, ... Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:59, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Here I would tend to agree...I would probably prefer the parenthetical dab qualifier be magazine as it does seem to be more of interest to the general public. Having said that, if the majority of its audience is academic institutions and researchers, then I'd call it a journal. But, of course, we may have our own style guidelines (which I sometimes disagree with) that would override all of this. Doug Mehus T·C 00:46, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

P.S., about subtitles

I think your confusion stems from the fact that you think "The Magazine of Western History" is a subtitle. It is not. It is part of the title. Just like you wouldn't put a colon in "Winnie: The Pooh," in the same way, "Montana The Magazine of Western History" is a title, not title/subtitle. VanillaBean28 (talk) 21:27, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Except every organization treats it as a subtitle, including the magazine itself. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:09, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

future Library Technician Comment If you have a look at the bibliographic record for the serial (journals and magazines), it follows a colon, which indicates subtitles and other titles. Thus, the publication's title is Montana and the subtitle is the magazine of western history. "The Magazine of Western History" may well be a variant title, for the purposes of accessing the title in the library's catalogue, but I don't think Wikipedia cares about variant titles. At most, we might add an alternate sort tag beyond the default sort tag, but that's non-visible to the public. Headbomb, can we have multiple sort tags? Doug Mehus T·C 00:43, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

We can't have multiple sort tags, but that's also irrelevant to anything here. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:50, 7 February 2020 (UTC)