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Auk and Condor renamed - move y/n?Edit

As of January 2021, Auk and Condor have been renamed to "Ornithology" and "Ornithological Applications" [1] (neither of which was taken yet, apparently - go figure). Question: should the articles be moved to the new names, or rather new redirects be made to the old names? Bit hard to tell what is more appropriate with these venerable journals - both have a 100+ year history. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:23, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Usually, we move them to their new names. After the switch, not before though. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:53, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
They did switch ([2],[3]), I just can't find any press release or similar to that effect. Uncharacteristically coy, that. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 22:49, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
No need for press releases, their websites are fine to support WP:V. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:05, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Moved and updated both articles, if someone wants to check & twiddle. For one thing, I've left defaultsort paras, Wikidata and Commons links alone because I don't know whether those even need to be adjusted. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:38, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Category:Academic Journals articles needing expert attention has been nominated for discussionEdit

 

Category:Academic Journals articles needing expert attention has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Peaceray (talk) 05:32, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Editor-in-chief information for journalsEdit

Is it appropriate to add information about current and past editor-in-chiefs for journals described on Wikipedia? And, what would be considered an appropriate citation for this information? Some journals list the editor in chief or there are press releases (likely from the journal), but I am unclear if those would be acceptable, independent sources. --DaffodilOcean (talk) 15:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, see WP:JWG#YES. And press releases/website/journal staffing description on the inside of journals would all work. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:57, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks!--DaffodilOcean (talk) 17:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Most-viewed stub article within this WikiprojectEdit

Semantic Scholar Total 10,989 Daily 366 Stub--Coin945 (talk) 16:15, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

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Anais da Associação Brasileira de QuímicaEdit

Does anyone read Portuguese to see if there's sourcing? It's not in SCOPUS and I'm not able to come up with anything useful in English. Thanks! Star Mississippi 16:15, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

You could try asking at WP:BRAZIL also. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:24, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

2020 IFs releasedEdit

This morning the 2020 impact factors were released. JCR also has an updated interface, but unfortunately my access is currently not working. I hope that this is just because many people are checking thereby overheating Clarivate's servers and that the problem will soon be resolved. --Randykitty (talk) 10:55, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

PS: note that almost all articles currently in Category:Articles with outdated impact factors from 2020 are displaying 2019 IFs, NOT the 2020 ones... --Randykitty (talk) 11:17, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Draft:APL PhotonicsEdit

Hi,

Draft:APL Photonics has been waiting in draft for 4 months - an opinion as to if this is notable or not would be helpful as the sources require logins.

Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 11:57, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

  Done and created --Randykitty (talk) 15:50, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Randykitty - Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 15:54, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Cognizance Journal of Multidisciplinary StudiesEdit

is apparently indexed in Publons, Crossref, ORCID, and Academia.edu. Is there some quicker way to delete this than PROD? --JBL (talk) 19:59, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Doubt it - there's a claim to importance, however threadbare, so no A7, and I don't know what else would apply. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 20:08, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Sigh, and PROD has now been removed by the article creator. Guess we get to have an AfD (courtesy link). --JBL (talk) 20:13, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

List of preprint repositoriesEdit

I did a little cleanup work on List of preprint repositories, but I don't think it's ready to be de-tagged yet. It could probably stand a little discussion about what the criteria should be for inclusion. XOR'easter (talk) 00:50, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Science (journal)#Cover imageEdit

There's a discussion about fair use on cover images that would benefit from more eyes. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:01, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

AfDs in need of participationEdit

Thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 16:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Input from knowledgeable editors still needed. Thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 07:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
The AfD for EAH could still use some input from editors familiar with academic journals. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 12:37, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Predatory publisher's journalEdit

Today, I came across Journal of Nanoscience and Nanotechnology which I created in 2010. I think since I was relatively new, I didn't realize that the publisher's website is full of blatant falsehoods. Apparently the publisher is listed in Beal's List of predatory journals. This came to light after I created the article. There is a link to this list in the references. On the publisher's website, there is an easily seen impact factor [4]. Yet, this journal in not listed in the Web of Science - see Master List. Also, it doesn't seem to be listed in Scopus [5]. Anyway, I am going to PROD this article and hopefully it won't be necessary to go to AfD. This will save time and energy. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 19:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

It was in Scopus, but no longer is as of 2018. I'll take the opportunity to remind people here that {{infobox journal}} has several editor-oriented database search links that can be enabled to facilitate lookup in Scopus/MIAR/etc... Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:44, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

It is interesting that problems were noticed in 2017 but the page was not prodded or sent to AfD [6]. The abstracting and indexing listed in this article was also removed, and rightly so [7] Well, I am surprised this is still on Wikipedia. Hopefully, not for much longer. Just wanted to inform project members about this. I have prodded the article and removed most all of the information because none of it can be considered reliable. FYI, I left a similar message on RandyKitty's talk page. [8]. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 19:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

It might also be worth taking a second look at Journal of Biomedical Nanotechnology, from the same publisher. XOR'easter (talk) 02:57, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
XOR'easter Thanks ---Steve Quinn (talk) 03:36, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
  • That particular journal is in all the important databases (according to MIAR). --Randykitty (talk) 10:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Keep or delete this journal?Edit

In a related talk page discussion, an editor/colleague pointed out the Journal of Nanoscience and Nanotechnology is surprisingly indexed by MEDLINE and Index Medicus. Based on this listing, the editor thinks the page for this journal should be kept, but with a note that the publisher is on Beall's list (diff here). (MEDLINE and Index Medicus listing is here). (Also, found in MIAR).

With respect, I disagree. Given that the information on this journal's website not reliable, I think its Wikipedia page should be deleted. And I don't think being listed on MEDLINE and Index Medicus is enough to overcome this discrepancy. So, I would like other editors to chime in here. Should this be kept, deleted, discussed, or whatever else? Thanks in advance. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 21:09, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

"Academic journals of foo country" vs "Academic journals published in foo country"Edit

At the moment we have two parallel category trees, Category:Academic journals by country and Category:Academic journals by country of publication. The first one has as subcats, for example, Category:Academic journals of Brazil, with Category:Academic journals published in Brazil as a further subcat, but also as subcat of "Academic journals by country of publication". For toher countries the trees are kept separate (e.g., Germany). Articles on individual journals seem to be allocated to "journals published in" or "journals of" more or less haphazardly (I at least have not been able to discover any logic). I find it difficult to see how a journal that is not published in some country could be "of" that country, so I think that all the "of" cats should be merged into the "published in" cats. Then somebody should go through them all with a fine-toothed coomb, as most journals cannot be allocated to one particular country unambiguously. I'm curious what editors here think about this and any suggestions on how to go about this are welcome. --Randykitty (talk) 17:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

"Publishing" can be a confusing concept. Many software platforms which present a journal will not be in the country of the journal. I live in the United States, and I happen to know that in my community there is an organization which hosts various journals for, by, and about Africa. If publishing means "makes the text digitally available and distributes it" then publishing often does not happen in the country producing the content. If publishing is just the brand or institution which organizes the journal then that makes more sense.
Whatever publishing actually is, people will continuously interpret it in various ways. I favor trying to avoid sorting by country of publication because of those varied interpretations. Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:26, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
I couldn't agree more. Modern publishing is very international in nature. That something is published by, say, Elsevier, a company headquartered in the Netherlands, doesn't mean that its journals should be categorized as "published in the Netherlands". A particular journal may have its editor in the US, the editorial assistant somewhere in India, board members all over the world, and a publisher in any of the major offices that Elsevier has all over the world (without this actually being indicated anywhere), whereas the actual production of the final PDFs takes place in Singapore (and if there still is a print version, that may be produced in Malaysia). So "published in foo country" has not much meaning in contemporary publishing. However, in the past I have tried to get rid of these outdated national categories and that has failed each time. So if somebody adds a "published in" or "journal of" category to a journal, I leave it in place unless it's absolutely ludicrous (such as journals published by one of the major international publishers), even though I'll never add such a cat to an article myself. Accepting the reality that we can't get rid of these national journal cats, at least we can try to have a modicum of logic and merge the "journals of" cats into the corresponding "journals published in" cat. But if you see a chance to get rid of all "national" cats, I'll be with you! --Randykitty (talk) 09:39, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
I favor the merge but I do not know how that should look. I wish that the word choice was not so sensitive. Even if word choice is problematic, either I support the merge, or I suppose that within 10 years Wikidata will suggest categories for all these things which will probably let anyone categorize things however they like. Besides sorting this for English language, in the foreseeable future we also need these categories available in other languages as Wikipedia's citation infrastructure gets more translated.
For now I will just say that I support a merge for anyone who feels using their time to change the status quo. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:21, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Serials from the Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel UniversityEdit

The Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, which our article says is the oldest natural science research institution and museum in the Americas, publishes several serials. They are listed at https://ansp.org/research/systematics-evolution/resources/scientific-publications/ and briefly described in the Academy's article at Academy_of_Natural_Sciences_of_Drexel_University#Scientific_publications Most are published irregularly and therefore not periodicals.

  • Journal of the Academy of Natural Sciences (First Series, Second Series), both ceased
  • Monographs series (ISSN 0096-7750)
  • Notulae Naturae (ISSN 0029-4608), occasional series
  • Proceedings of the Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia, (ISSN 0097-3157) "The Proceedings of the Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia, established in 1841, is the longest running serial on natural history and the environment..."
  • Special Publications series "began in 1922 and continues to this day. This series includes works of taxonomy (ISSN 0097-3254), pansystemic research resulting from expeditions, historical reviews, surveys of Academy collections, and biography."

I discovered all this when I was editing Sargocentron poco and found that the original description of this species was in Notulae Naturae, which does not have an article. I don't know whether any of these are indexed by any selective index. They are probably peer-reviewed, although possibly not exactly the same way that most journals are. I'd like to suggest that an expert on journals consider whether any of the serials ought to have their own article with an infobox, or whether the section in the Academy article is adequate. Once I might have been bold and created articles on each serial, but AfD is a scary place and I haven't found good references for any of the serials. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 11:57, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  • The easiest way of checking where a journal is indexed is by entering its ISSN or title in MIAR, which is quite good and rarely wrong (but the site is usually a bit slow, so be patient). If you do that for the above publications, the Proceedings is clearly notable, as it is included in Scopus and the Science Citation Index Expanded (so it should also have an impact factor). The other publications don't seem to be indexed anywhere (one is in BIOSIS Previews, but I don't think that's enough), so redirecting to the academy seems the way to go and briefly give whatever info can be reliably sourced. I didn't find anything about the Journal of the Academy of Natural Sciences, but didn't have time to put in a large effort (which is needed given the very general title). Hope this helps. --Randykitty (talk) 10:20, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
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