Talk:Monster Hunter Rise

Mainline or not?

The main source of the claim that rise is a mainline title is Arekkz's video, but that doesn't state that it's a mainline title, only that the developers do not consider it a derivative or spinoff title and that they are moving away from numbered titles as a whole.

I feel like there has been something lost in translation/some misunderstanding about this, as in general rise is considered akin to the portable games or generations due to it being developed by the team designated for them, as well as belonging to the "fifth generation" of monster hunter games that World started (as it is in essence monster hunter 5). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aeonera (talk • contribs)

At the same time, its original research to assume that because it is a portable title (for the Switch) or developed by the Generations team that it must be a spinoff. The info from the video is more concrete to work from at this point (in addition to the change in naming scheme). --Masem (t) 01:48, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

It is a "main entry", but not a "numbered entry". Capcom previously confirmed the Logo Theory to be correct in that the next main numbered title in indicated by a corresponding number of monster heads in the logo (MH1 had one, MH2 has two, so on and so forth), which lends to the idea that Rise is not a "numbered" entry as World was confirmed to be. Rise is the latter-half of fifth Gen, and is more of an interquel or side game (not unlike how Birth By Sleep is an important and main title for Kingdom Hearts, but is not a "numbered" main title). Claiming it is the "sixth" would be incorrect either way, otherwise we would need to include Generations as well (making this the "seventh").

So no, MH Rise is not the sixth iteration of the series. It is either the seventh or it is the second side game, which Capcom statements lending more to the latter than the former.

Capcom is on record stating that Rise is not the "next" game, but is a mainline game unlike Generations. Calling it the "sixth" mainline game would be is not entirely inaccurate, but it misrepresents the title potentially as "Monster Hunter 6" itself. Capcom also previously confirmed the "Monster Head Theory", in which the start of a new generation can be identified by a corresponding number of monster heads in the first logo of the first game of said generation. This phenomenon is visible in MH1, Dos, Tri, MH4, and World, and Capcom was no longer shy about confirming it when asked a couple of years ago.

Rise should continue to be listed as the "sixth mainline entry", but we should also be taking care to also confirm that this is not "Monster Hunter 6".2001:1998:3600:9F:0:0:0:80F (talk) 15:29, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Unless publishers have state *explicitly* that the game is or is not “Monster Hunter 6”, any speculation based on the shape of a logo is synthesis, and therefore inadmissible here.

Further, the distinction between "the sixth mainline entry" in the series and a game which is somehow "Monster Hunter 6" but not actually called that is *entirely* meaningless. There is and presumably never will be any such game as “Monster Hunter 6”. Pseudo-Pseudo-Dionysius (talk) 00:17, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

They just announced Monster Hunter Wilds. If you look at the logo you'll notice that it depicts 6 wyvern heads. All the mainline games have depicted a number of heads relevant to its placement in the series. Can we please update the page to show MH Rise as a portable title? 75.117.110.119 (talk) 04:28, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

That's WP:SYNTH, at this point. Masem (t) 04:29, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

it really seems like your basing your conclusion that it's mainline off of one offhand dev comment rather than the large amount of evidence that MH rise is not mainline. Why ignore all other information? 75.117.110.119 (talk) 13:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

We have no statement that Rise is NOT a mainline title, and the only evidence being provided are unsourced claims and guesses made by patterns from prior series releases. None of that works for WP.

If the Wilds devs come out to stay it is the 6th mainline, then absolutely we can change Rise. Masem (t) 13:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

"If the Wilds devs come out to stay it is the 6th mainline, then absolutely we can change Rise." saving this here so you can't delete it.

I will bring this up if that happens and you refuse to change it. We know you are unwilling to admit you are wrong despite evidence that you are. 75.117.110.119 (talk) 14:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

We're simply going off the requirement that we cannot make assumptions absent any sources to say otherwise. Nothing indicates Rise is a spinoff directly, but we have a statement that says it was considered mainline. Now if they retroactively say Wilds is the 6th mainline (we know World is 5th), then there you go, proof that we can adjust Rise appropriately to be a spinoff. But WP works on having sources say this, not Internet sleuths or claimed expert players for this. Masem (t) 15:41, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

It won't be retroactive, you'll just have been wrong. 75.117.110.119 (talk) 04:28, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Rise without World

Is this a game where you wouldn't understand as much playing the recent Rise without playing it's preceding titles such as World?

Sort of like how if you play Disgaea 2 without playing Disgaea 1 first you won't get as much of the lore (won't recognize Laharl or Etna who are major chars)

There's an element of that in playing Disgaea 1 without playing La Pucelle but to a reduced degree since it's just a cameo monster who serves you and not someone who joins the main party like Etna does in D2.

Guess I'm wondering if these are standalone games (like most Final Fantasy games, least the older ones) or ones with continuous story that you miss by skipping (ie Legacy of Kain or Blood Omen) earlier games.

It's not always clear what type of series it is. WakandaQT (talk) 17:52, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't think its necessary to notate it on the article itself, but mainline MH titles don't have much of an upfront overarching story. The stories are instanced to specific continents or landmasses and have little-to-no connection to or cameos from other games outside of weapons, armors, and monsters. As such, knowing much from previous games isn't necessary at all.2001:1998:3600:9F:0:0:0:80F (talk) 21:06, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

After Malzeno

Should we add the story arc that appears after you defeat Malzeno? It is after all important to the plot. Gaismagorm (talk) 13:27, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Never mind it looks like it was added Gaismagorm (talk) 13:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Sunbreak Plot Synopsis

There’s been some disagreement over large portions of the Sunbreak plot synopsis. I have attempted to keep the synopsis streamlined to focus on the key points of the plot. Another version adds more details that seem unnecessary to a simple synopsis. Rather than undoing each other’s edits, let’s discuss them here and try to come to a compromise. ShteeK (talk) 03:31, 28 October 2022 (UTC)