Talk:Mixing console/Archive 1

Soundboard?

Is a mixing console the same as a soundboard (as used in live concerts to balance sound from mikes and instruments--this might be an Americanism, I'm not sure.) [[User:CatherineMunro|Catherine\^talk]] 18:21, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yes, there's a link here from soundboard. ~KvnG 15:21, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Work in process

Hey folks. I'm doing some pretty major work on this entry over at Mixing console/Test, comments there are welcome of course. Zachlipton 06:21, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A soundboard is also part of an accoustic instrument

I'm working on the entry for gayageum at the moment, and was wanting to link sound board. The sound board of an accoustic instrument is the surface that vibrates and projects the sound from the instrument. For example the top of a guitar (the piece of wood with the circular hole <grin>) is a sound board, the top of a violin, and relevant to me, the top surface of a gayageum.

Perhaps two entries and disambiguation is needed here (I'm a newbie, so I don't know that much).

--postmoderncore 16:30, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Disambiguation of "Sound board"/Soundboard"

I think I have straightened out all the links which had pointed here (via "soundboard" redirects) when they shouldn't have. Not sure if the first italicized line should now be removed, or changed to "For other meanings of "soundboard" or "sound board", see Soundboard.", or something. Any thoughts? --Lph 20:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Went ahead and deleted the line. Soundboard is now a disambiguation page, instead of a redirect to Mixing console, so any new links from acoustic-instrument pages should be able to find their way to Sounding board. --Lph 18:46, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

A seperate article for Control Surfaces is needed!

I feel that there should be a seperate article for Control Surfaces, or even a stub. There isn't even a decent description, IMHO. Your thoughts?

**EDIT** That was me, Homtail, who originally posted the above suggestion **/EDIT**

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**UPDATE** - For my first ever article, I am taking editing the control surface article (which redirects to flight controls, in which the term "control surface" hardly relates to said article. However, rest assured, pilots, as I will leave a link on the updated page pointing to the flight controls article). It will focus on digital control surfaces for audio applications. Please help me 'keep the ball rolling' on that page. Thank you! **/UPDATE** Homtail 02:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Mixing in things

I'm sorry, but what on earth (or under it) does that New Zealand stuff have to do with anything?

AFD on manufacturer Alice Soundtech

There's an AFD on Alice Soundtech, a leading UK supplier of studio and transmission equipment for RSL radio stations, from mixing consoles to AM/FM transmitters, based in Surrey. People in the biz or in the know can chime in at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alice Soundtech. -- 62.147.86.249 16:51, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

is a more specified external link spam?

Hello,

I changed the existing external link ProAudioGuide http://www.proaudioguide.com/ to Mixing console Manufacturers in ProAudioGuide http://directory.proaudioguide.com/directory/index.php?s1=1&s2=600 and the link has been deleted as spam. The guidelines for external links allow links to directories, and the one I added is directly related to the page topic. Please re-think this edit. I would also be very interested to read what other users think.

Audioholic 17:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Since your only contributions upon joining the project were to add links to this directory, it gives a strong impression of your being involved with this directory and trying to drive traffic to your site. My suggestion to you is that you contribute to the project for a while and show that your interest is in improving the articles about sound equipment, then if you are unaffiliated with directory.proaudioguide.com, add the links back in a few months. If you are indeed affiliated with that site, you should not add the links back at all, but rather mention them on the talk page and allow other editors to decide if they merit inclusion in the article. Thanks! kmccoy (talk) 20:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Did you ever click on one of the four links I added? Should not the quality of an edit or addition count? Are you saying that one has to spend some months contributing to Wikipedia before he is allowed to add three highly relevant links and update another one? Do you really see enough reason to suspect me of being involved with that site from four links? If I know someone working for the publisher, am I involved? If I just think the site is very good and helpful, am I involved than? I really think that content quality should be the prime issue in Wikipedia. I ask you again to reconsider your reverts and would be happy to receive any comments from other editors. Thanks! Audioholic 17:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

This conversation is just a duplicate of one being held at Talk:Studio monitor, so I'd like to direct interested readers on this matter over there. kmccoy (talk) 03:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Equalization discussion

Why do we have this section?: "Many users recommend that the equalization be set so that if the speaker has a high frequency, elevate the lows and bring down the highs and vice versa for a low frequency speaker. This allows a little of amplication to be added to the general effects. However, this can distort the signal's EQ." Doesn't seem necessary. Not explained well. Not universal, either, as I'd never heard these users say anything like that. Also, not clear whether "speaker" is 'loudspeaker' or 'person who is speaking'. Binksternet 11:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

History/Inventor?

I saw on TV today that Jean-Michel Jarre claims his grandfather André invented the mixing console. It's surely possible, but I can't find any information on who made the first one at all. We know that the first one to make electronic recordings was Orlando Marsh but he doesn't seem to have used a mixer, but just one microphone (at least the only picture of his recording equipment I can find doesn't look like it takes several inputs). And I can find pictures of RCA broadcasting consoles with 4 inputs from 1933. So it must have happened somewhere inbetween.

Does anyone know anything? If André Jarre really was first that's worth acknowledging. --OpenFuture (talk) 23:34, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

The era of electrically-recorded phonograph discs began in 1925, but the first ones used just one microphone. Any that used two microphones would, by definition, have used an early mixer. By 1929, film companies in Hollywood were placing several mics around the movie set, and using custom mixers to adjust the level of each mic going to the recording. Similar efforts were probably going on around the globe, and nobody at the time thought much of it because joining the outputs of several microphone preamps together in a common mix bus was a simple task relative to designing the preamps themselves. Apparently, nobody thought "this will be significant later..." As a result, the answer of the question "who first mixed two preamps down to one bus" has been lost to time. Binksternet (talk) 01:33, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. Perhaps Jarre was the one who built the first consoles for Radio Lyon, but the invention of the mixer itself was, as you mention, simple enough to have been "invented" by loads of people at the same time. I've been looking for early "mixers" in radio, thanks for the hint of looking for it in movie references, I'll try that. --OpenFuture (talk) 10:27, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

New Sections

The article is lacking a section on history, particularly of the large studio consoles. I also thought a section comparing the primary console manufacturers would be informative. It would be difficult to do without making it sound like marketing, but, let's face it, there are only two manufacturers of studio consoles left. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthieuIX (talk • contribs) 00:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

need a section with a complete picture that shows the data flow. I read the article. I still dont know how one of these things works. i have some vague idea about some of the pieces, but the big picture is very muddled cloudy and foggy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.103.155.187 (talk) 19:02, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Analog vs. Digital

This section at the end feels like it might want to be a separate article or maybe merged into Comparison of analog and digital recording. --Kvng (talk) 14:54, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I added that bit way back in September '07, somewhere between my 1000th and my 1500th edit, before I was well versed in citing sources, etc. It holds a lot of personal experience as well as knowledge gleaned from books, manuals, and from discussions with electronics design engineers and veteran sound guys. The section might be split to its own article, but whether we settle upon keeping it here or shoving it elsewhere it will need to be supported with cites.

I don't think that comparisons of mixing boards should be merged into an article about recording formats. Binksternet (talk) 15:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Looking around a bit more... Most of the first two paragraphs in the section are about Digital mixing console and could be merged there. The remaining stuff can be thinned and/or moved up into the main part of the article. --Kvng (talk) 20:40, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Terminology?

If a mixer is described as a "32x24" mixer, what do those numbers refer to? Thanks :) TheHYPO 20:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

It's more likely 32x4x2 or something: Means 32 input channels, 4 busses (groups or aux') and 2 master output channels (stereo).64.116.221.168 18:39, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Appreciate the reply, but I found the terms in two places- the equipment list for number 9 studios which lists an "Amek Angela 36x24 mixing console", and Arlyn studios which has an "API 2343 32 x 24 Mixing Console".

The latter is the studio where an album I was reading about was recorded which says that the album was recorded "on a mere 24 tracks" at Arlyn. I thought this could mean that the studio had only a 24-track mixer, or it could mean that the producer only used 24 of the mixer's tracks. The album is from '98, so the mixer could also have been replaced by now. I was just wondering what teh 32x24 meant; which was the number of tracks, and what the other number meant :) TheHYPO 08:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I think you're confusing the tape deck and the console. I'm guessing they only used a 24-track deck.

Most larger analog consoles usually only have 24 output busses. This means that any input can be assigned to any of the 24 main outputs (there's other outputs for headphone mixes and effects). So a 32x24 has 32 input modules, with each module being able to be switched to 24 outputs. Most consoles provide odd-even panning features, ie. if I assing an input module to tracks 3 and 4, I can pan across them using the track panning. Wamnet 21:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Just a quick one, a 32x24 mixer is a mixer which has a total of 32 input channels, and a total maximum of 24 outputs. Some boards will have more busses, but the outputs could be split as 16 Auxiliary sends, 6 Matrix busses and then a stereo bus —Preceding unsigned comment added by NickyJ101 (talk • contribs) 20:25, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

"32x24" is shorthand for a recording console which has 32 input channels and 24 tape send/return channels. Such consoles are intended for use in recording studios, not for live work. Consoles intended for mixing live performances may be described as "24x4x2" which means 24 input channels, 4 "groups" (usually configured as 2 stereo pairs) and 2 main outputs (a single stereo pair). The groups in a live console are a convenience feature, sometimes used to control a certain number of input channels simultaneously, e.g. instead of varying the level of a number of input channels separately, one can assign these channels to a group and control the level of the entire group with a single control while maintaining the relative levels between said channels. They may also be used to supply an alternate feed which contains only a subset of the channels present in the main mix, and so forth. Smaller live consoles might lack a group feature. Rocknrollsuicide (talk) 21:11, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Sound mixer

I thought "sound mixer" was a common name for one of these, and yet there is no mention of this name. Egriffin (talk) 22:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Sound mixer does redirect here. I think that's good enough. We've already listed a bunch of aliases in the lead. I don't think we need more. ~KvnG 15:38, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Recent contributions

OnBeyondZebrax has spent a few days making these changes to the article. I'm just getting around to reviewing this. Although I appreciate the contribution and don't see any glaring errors, I find these changes to be a mixed bag. There is no critical new information added and certainly none that is sourced. The article is already well stocked with conversational, unsourced personal knowledge and these contributions take us further in that direction. This is not the direction we want to keep heading. ~Kvng (talk) 14:05, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

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