Talk:Members of the New South Wales Legislative Assembly, 2019–2023

Latest comment: 2 years ago by Global-Cityzen in topic Party Colours

Helen Dalton

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On the 3 March, 2022, Helen Dalton resigned from the SFF party to serve the remainder of her term as an Independent. https://www.mudgeeguardian.com.au/story/7644197/nsw-mp-quits-over-party-no-show/?cs=12Mrodowicz (talk) 12:51, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

  Done --Find bruce (talk) 01:06, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Party Colours

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Why is there no consistency as to whether party colours should remain as relates to politicians changing parties? My edit to change Helen Dalton's colours from SFF to Ind was reverted, but Leslie Williams (who switched parties from Nat to Lib) had his party colours changed accordingly from green to blue. Same with Justin Field (NSW Leg. Council) who was elected as a Green but now sits as an Independent.--Mrodowicz (talk) 07:08, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

I really think we need to change how we deal with these - neither is really satisfactory. Perhaps something like this? I don't love the big blobs for non-defectors, but it's better than the inaccuracy the current approach produces. Someone might know how to make the double ones narrower?
Name Party Electorate Term in office
Michael Daley   Labor Maroubra 2005–present
Helen Dalton     Shooters, Fishers, Farmers/Independent[a] Murray 2019–present
Alternatively - and I think I actually prefer this:
Name Party Electorate Term in office
Michael Daley   Labor Maroubra 2005–present
Helen Dalton   Shooters, Fishers, Farmers   Independent[a] Murray 2019–present
Frickeg (talk) 07:22, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for bringing it to the talk page - I reverted because we have had a consistent approach, however I'd missed someone had changed Leslie Williams (who is not a he by the way). The situation is different for Justin Field who was appointed not elected, but was a green to the end of the 2019 term and then an independent from the start of the 2019 term hence the note. That said just because it's the way things have been done doesn't mean it can't change - it's a matter of finding consensus.
I agree with Frikeg's dislike of the big blobs & I don't think there is anyway to further reduce the column width. You could make them single column blobs for the non defectors, but it doesn't improve the look. Things get a bit more complex with people like Glenn Brookes in 2015–2019 but at least he went back to the original party so the colour is not confusing. The only others I can think of who have changed more than once are some of the Labor splits.
The separate columns look a bit weird when you add a second person because the columns must be the same width, making a large white space between National and Liberal, but you could put the second colour on the right eg
Second colour on the right
Name Party Electorate Term in office
Michael Daley   Labor Maroubra 2005–present
Helen Dalton   Shooters, Fishers, Farmers/Independent   Murray 2019–present
Tanya Davies   Liberal Mulgoa 2011–present
Anna Watson   Labor Shellharbour 2011–present
Leslie Williams   National/Liberal   Port Macquarie 2011–present
Another way to do it is to use multiple rows, but it makes sorting on the party a bit confusing
Multiple rows
Name Party Electorate Term in office
Michael Daley   Labor Maroubra 2005–present
Helen Dalton   Shooters, Fishers, Farmers Murray 2019–present
  Independent
Anna Watson   Labor Shellharbour 2011–present
Tanya Davies   Liberal Mulgoa 2011–present
Leslie Williams   National Port Macquarie 2011–present
  Liberal
--Find bruce (talk) 09:03, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
Those are both much better than my options! I think I prefer the colour on the right to the two rows - as you say there are sorting issues when splitting rows, and I do think it's better to avoid giving people more "space" in the table just because they've changed parties. (This also gives due prominence to the party they're elected with, which I think is fair.) The only issue I can foresee is when someone goes through more than two parties in a term. That's rare enough that I don't think it counts that much against it - possibly we could do multiple colours on the right without messing things up too much. Frickeg (talk) 11:36, 3 April 2022 (UTC)Reply
I have boldly changed the article to have the second colour on the right. @Mrodowicz and Global-Cityzen: are you happy with that solution ? --Find bruce (talk) 02:34, 4 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

I prefer this...

Name Party Electorate Term in office
Michael Daley   Labor Maroubra 2005–present
Helen Dalton   Shooters, Fishers, Farmers   Independent[a] Murray 2019–present

...there have been cases in the past of MPs defecting from one party, being an independent for a while, then joining or creating a new (3rd) party. Not sure how the current revision could accomodate such a situation. For me though this whole debate feels kind of ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, so whatever we end up settling on is fine by me. Global-Cityzen (talk) 06:02, 5 April 2022 (UTC)Reply
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