Talk:Matvey Dmitriev-Mamonov

Though I dislike translating into the wrong direction - viz into English rather than from English into my native German - I felt it was time this interesting chracter was brought to the attention of anglophone wikipedians and wikipedia users.

Why the formatting went so terribly astray after the original poem quote, I have no idea. Your help would be most appreciated.

For today, I am quite fed up with wikipedia formating requirements... --Terminally uncool (talk) 18:41, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to the reviewer for healing the formatting defects.

It has been criticised, that "no article links to this one": The first that should link is the one about Mamonov's dad...

I did not like to link to my article before being sure that it would not be repudiated. Furthermore I was too tired yesterday evening to add to my user page the list of articles to which this one links existing in the Russian original but not yet in English I intend to anglicise in the foreseeable future which then will link back... e.g. the articles on the Order of Russian Chivalry, Dubrovitsy, and Vassilyevskoye. --Terminally uncool (talk) 19:42, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Though his dad may have been somewhat non-committal, we speak here of the comital line, viz. the Counts: committere // comes, comitis: note the difference...

Furthermore, I have not yet found the time to eliminate the double and triple links, e.g. Moscow, Serpukhov, Alexander I. --Terminally uncool (talk) 20:39, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

"With him the comital line of the house of Dmitriev-Mamonov expired."

Hello,

I was wondering what are the sources of this information in the article : "With him the comital line of the house of Dmitriev-Mamonov expired."

I would like to know about this, I don't fully understand what it means : did the person who wrote the article intend to say that the house of Dmitriev Mamonof no longer exist ?

I'm a descendant of the Dmitriev-Mamonov family, (with acts of births to prove it if necessary), my great grand father name was Vassili Dmitriev-Mamonov, his father's family fled from Russia to France in 1917. I know for a fact that we are not descendant from the untitled branch of the family. We own several papers to prove that.

I would like to know if the person who wrote this article could get in touch with me so we can figure this out : I would like to know more about the sources.

Here is my email address: salvaggio.matthieu.art@gmail.com

Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.8.106.15 (talk) 20:56, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello! Though you kindly provided your email address I shall deal with the wikipedia related matter here: The author of the Russian article does not provide a specific source for this information nor did he need to once it being established that Matvey Alexandrovich died without legitimate issue. In this context it was not necessary to relate the fact that fifty years after the extinction of the first creation (by Paul I.) the title was revived (by Nicolas II.) for another member of the larger family...

However, wikipedia does in no way either deny or conceal the source of the handle to your family name: Among the articles related to that on Matvey Alexandrovich which as stated above I intend to translate into my languages is one on the Dmitriev-Mamonov family of which in the following I shall in anticipation of my planned translation quote the relevant paragraph, which should give you ample satisfaction as to your aristocratic background inasmuch as it tells us unequivocally that exactly fifty years after the extinction of the first creation a second creation was made in favour of your great great grandfather:

Matvey Vassiliyevich Dmitriev-Mamonov (1724 - 1810) (son of Vassiliy Athanassovich and his wife from the Grushezkiy familiy) was head of the Smolensk vicegerency and senator. On his son Alexander, Catherine II.’s favourite, see the separate article. Upon the death, in 1863, of his only son the comital line of Dmitriev-Mamonov became extinct; the noble family, however, flourishes to this day. Alexander Ippolitovich Dmitriev-Mamonov (1847 - 1915), Actual State Councilor, civil servant in the Ministry of Transport, was granted by letter patent (Russian: ukaz) in 1913 the title of Count of the Russian Empire, hereditary under the rules of primogeniture in the male line (Roll of Arms, ((Russian: gerbovnik)), XXI, 1).

When I started going through my wiki contributions this morning it was in the intention to embark on the translation of another link from my Matvey article somewhat more of public interest, in the event good old S.S. Bobrov; however, being a browsing contributor, i.e. one ready to dive headlong into any matter of interest that comes along his path, I have taken pleasure in digging on your behalf, finding out e.g. on vicegerents or on the organisation of the Russian Imperial Ministry of Transport... (given that neither my historic personalities nor my dear old french churches will run away nor it being particularly likely that they will be snatched away from my path by other avid wiki translators...)

I hope that you will feel well served by these lines, and will sooner or later pay you a courtesy visit on your email address.

Regards - --Terminally uncool (talk) 13:46, 27 May 2014 (UTC)