Talk:Margaret Cabell Self

Sources

More stuff I found on Google newspapers archives (and there's a lot more where this came from):

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White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 18:42, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Found a few too

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Horsegeek^(talk) 00:04, 29 June 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek

Funny first start

Funny first start! I can't believe it's a redlink too! I'll help out as much as possible! Horsegeek^(talk) 19:48, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek

• Thanks folks for helping, I expanded a bit, any more you want to add, go for it. I found a motherlode in an article on the Mounted Troop and (oh yum!) George Morris's long-awaited Kiss and Tell has come out and looks like he started riding in that troop (love how Gincy said, euphemistically, that he was "allergic" to stable dust! Oh, George!). Montanabw^(talk) 04:55, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
  • I don't ride hunter seat, but I enjoy reading everything Morris writes. He can point out problems without getting too nitpicky and trivial (really, does anybody care if a boot zipper sticks out?!) It doesn't hurt that he's funny, either.
  • Ha, the part where he says Self let chickens run through her house... 😂🐔 When I was a kid we raised game roosters/fighting cocks (they could fight off the bobcats, raccoons and other varmints, which other chickens couldn't--we never cockfought them) and I remember a rooster once getting away from me, running through the open door and into the kitchen! Another time a hen did the same thing, only she got stuck underneath a reclining armchair. I had a weird childhood, but I never got bored. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 20:23, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
    • I wish I could have the same kind of childhood. Hardly spent my life around animals. Horsegeek^(talk) 21:34, 2 July 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek

• Hugs, Horsegeek! Morris writes of a golden age of horse showing in the postwar era 50s and early 60s, that same era as the "Eighty-Dollar Champion" and ever so many wonderful Disney movies (Horse with the Flying Tail, etc...) ... btw, in his new book, search for "Montana" and then for stuff on his friend who lived here -- he came out to Montana at her invitation and did a couple of clinics back in the 80s. She also brought out Gordon Wright. In the late 70s, while I was still in high school, she had helped me switch over from saddle seat to hunt seat -- I already had Morris' Hunter Seat Equitation and had worked with some local people, but she made a huge difference in my riding (like Morris, she won the Maclay, so she did more than know what she was talking about). Picked up more from her in about three sessions than six months with others. WAF, we didn't have fighting chickens, but we had guinea fowl when we lived on our ranch -- they chased off the rattlesnakes! Montanabw^(talk) 03:19, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

• LOL Montanabw! I get the chance to ride at least once a month. I also plan to maybe raise a ranch...? But guinea fowls chasing off rattlesnakes?! That, I have to see. Horsegeek^(talk) 15:08, 3 July 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek
  • I used to have guinea fowl, but they tap-danced on the house roof and beat up the non-fighting chickens, so they went to the trade day and didn't come back! LOL! Horsegeek, every ride counts, so even if you only get to ride once a month it's a lot better than not riding.
  • I never rode anything but a mule until I was around 14. (My uncle had this small, older female mule; me and my cousins rode her bareback and bridleless in the pasture, or at least we tried to...🙆) Then one of my cousins got this crossbred Tennessee Walking Horse mare, and we rode her with a Western saddle. About a year or two later, my parents bought me a five-year-old Quarter Horse and let me board him and take lessons at the same barn. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 20:46, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
    • Here is a clip of male guinea fowl making their noises (females are actually louder if they are pissed off): [5] I think the racket scares off anything, plus they will walk right up to things and are very fast, they can peck and duck! I never actually saw them run off a snake, but I do know that we would occasionally have rattlesnakes in the yard before we got them and never had one after... ! Montanabw^(talk) 22:14, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

• Looks about ready to go live, we'll try to find a picture of her in the meantime. Horsegeek^(talk) 23:55, 4 November 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek
  • Eh, found one, but I'm pretty sure it's gonna be deleted soon. I do't exactly know how to upload pictures and give credit to their rightful owners. Montanabw, White Arabian Filly, a little help please? Horsegeek^(talk) 00:29, 10 November 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek

• • • Shoot us the link and the URL for the original source. I think I can make it work, watch how I do it...  ;-) Montanabw^(talk) 19:30, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

• Montanabw https://www.google.com/search?q=margaret+cabell+self&safe=strict&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicpafRkp_QAhUSzGMKHeEECkoQ_AUIBygB&biw=1024&bih=671#imgrc=5k_-eFyf-Vi88M%3A

Horsegeek^(talk) 21:39, 10 November 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek

Images and public domain

Several of Self's books are now in the public domain. OMG, some of the photos! Hair-raising! LOL! This book was great fun to skim! https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b98839;view=1up;seq=1

LOL Montanabw! Think this article is ready to go live yet? Horsegeek^(talk) 21:35, 11 November 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek

I want to add some stuff. Almost. Montanabw^(talk) 06:17, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

source material

• https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001516903 Horsemastership; methods of training the horse and the rider.
• http://collections.stanford.edu/copyrightrenewals/bin/search/simple/process?query=Self%2C+Margaret+Cabell Copyright renewal database
• https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001509130?type%5B%5D=author&lookfor%5B%5D=%22Self%2C%20Margaret%20Cabell.%22&ft=ft The horseman's encyclopedia.
• https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006918173?type%5B%5D=author&lookfor%5B%5D=%22Self%2C%20Margaret%20Cabell.%22&ft=ft Teaching the young to ride
• https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Search/Home?type%5B%5D=author&lookfor%5B%5D=%22Self%2C%20Margaret%20Cabell.%22&page=1&ft=ft List
• http://small.library.virginia.edu/collections/featured/the-cabell-family-papers-2/biographies/additional-biographies/margaret-cabell-self/ Margaret Cabell Self (1902-1996) (and image)
• http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?Search_Arg=Self%2C+Margaret&Search_Code=NALL&PID=SXMJzpLjbmtVAhIeAkz12tjwdQ-tVS&SEQ=20161110230223&CNT=25&HIST=1

As requested, my input

1. First, the growing location is described as Warminster, Virginia, in Cabell country. Warminster is in Nelson County. I know very reliable source says "Cabell country." What is meant by country? It is confusing to me as the U.S. is our country. Or does it mean country as opposed to city? I did search Google in an attempt to find out, but was unsuccessful.

2. I found a direct reference to Self on the Block Island Times. Perhaps you might want to use this instead of or in conjunction with the link you already have. http://www.blockislandtimes.com/affiliate/block-island-times/11934

3. I'd like to see a little more about why the The Horseman’s Encyclopedia is notable than a sentence in its citation link. When I search on it, I get links to Amazon, Google Books, Biblio, and the like. I don't see the link that is citation 1 in Google. It might come up, but it's definitely not in the first few pages of results.

dawnleelynn^(talk) 21:47, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Regarding #2, If you go to that URL to the Block Island Times web site page, it says, "The Block Island Times was founded in 1970 by Dan Rattiner, publisher, and Margaret Cabell Self, editor" and more. I would think you would want to include in the article this information. You could actually source this as a citation so you could wite the name of the publication instead of a generic mention, and that she co-founded it, in addition to what you are already saying. Isn't this something that adds to her publishing works you would want to include? Just saying... dawnleelynn^(talk) 19:13, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

dawnleelynn Feel free to make those fixes in 1 & 3, especially the county. (I have such a backlogged watchlist!) I suspect "country" was a reference to the family being well-known there or something. As for 2, It is an old book, out of print, I suspect, but Worldcat Shows it in over 480 libraries. That should be worth adding? Montanabw^(talk) 09:04, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh, okay. You meant for #3, the Horseman's Encyclopedia. Yes, when I clicked your link, I saw it available for me at the following for starters: University of Wyoming, Colorado State University (and that's where the extremely terrific vet school is), University of Colorado (Boulder), University of Denver=University Libraries, USAF Academy, CO, and many more... so yes, it is being kept around as a reference in very prestigious places. Not sure how we would doc that, but it's good to know.

And so, it was #2 where was I saying now we have a citation that supports us writing that Self co-founded the Block Island Times. So I will edit the article to say that and add the citation.

And on #1, I will also edit the article regarding the Nelson county and Cabell Country information. I may do one more search on one that first. So, hopefully that gets us both on the same page. Sorry, I didn't understand your intent until now on how much editing you expected and when - so my bad. dawnleelynn^(talk) 04:09, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

So I edited the article regarding the Country v. County. And then I put the Block Island Times information in. I think the Encyclopedia has all it can in reference there. If one searches for it, many results come up for it at online book sellers, that has to be what one can expect for a book written in 1946. And it's in some very excellent school libraries from that search you gave me. It took me awhile to figure out the country v. county thing but I see what they are doing now. Cabell history goes way back and the county borders changed a lot. Cabells live in several counties and they like to just call an area of Virginia Cabell Country. So, it's okay to refer to it that way or by the county. I might have spent too much time on it, LOL dawnleelynn^(talk) 22:01, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Per your request, added content about "Cabell Country" to the article. Saw one copy edit and corrected that. dawnleelynn^(talk) 22:39, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Did You Know?

So Montanabw, you asked me if there were any hooks I could think of. I'd like to invite White Arabian Filly over here since she's worked on it too. I can't think of many, and these are probably lame, but ideas? 1. ...that Margaret Cabell Self was both an American riding instructor, and the writer of over 40 books? 2. ...that Margaret Cabell Self wrote: The Horseman's Encyclopedia?

Just some thoughts! Horsegeek^(talk) 20:58, 22 February 2017 (UTC)Horsegeek

The only one I can think of is... Dyk that while Margaret Cabell Self was best known for horsemanship, chickens roamed her kitchen? White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 23:11, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Honestly, I love it, White Arabian Filly! Horsegeek^(talk) 23:38, 23 February 2017 (UTC)Horsegeek

Dang! That was brilliant! But I missed the deadline to submit it! (Was on a road trip...). Montanabw^(talk) 08:59, 5 March 2017 (UTC)