Talk:Luigi/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Order of Brothers

There seems to be some controversy as to whether Mario is older or the two are twins in the section "Characteristics." I'm not sure as to why there is a debate between the two as being a twin does not stop you from being a younger brother.

WTF?!?!?!

This article doesn't say a thing about Luigi's Mansion or Mario is Missing!. Somebody really needs to note the games that he stars in, because I'm to lazy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kperfekt722 (talk • contribs) 07:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Bull; they were there when I edited the article last about an hour or so ago. See the spin-offs section. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v X of Swords)} 08:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Problem with "Characteristics"

"In Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Luigi became an esteemed author, writing a series of best-selling novels entitled Super Luigi, which tells the "true" story of his quest to save a princess from a distant land..."

This is not true. If you talk to Luigi after you beat the game, he says that he was interviewed about his adventure, and the Super Luigi books are "like a history book". This would imply that Luigi did not write the books himself. Hammer Bros. 01:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Um... how does that imply anything? There is NO implication that he didn't write the books himself if they were 'like a history book'. Even History books were written by someone you know, and there's no reason why it can't be a first-hand account. 124.168.28.9 (talk) 08:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Photo not from the original version

Isn't the picture from the SNES version?

Yes, is that a problem? Andre (talk) 00:34, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

No, don't be silly. That's from SMA, the remade SMB2.

Yes, it's from Super Mario Allstars, the SNES game. I updated the caption. Also, for anyone in future planning on taking a screenshot from their SNES emulator (you naughty things), please make sure you're not using some special display mode that changes the picture quality. An example is Snes9x's "SuperEagle" mode, which rounds all a sprite's edges. Whack it back to normal for your screenshots. Rufous 20:55, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

to my knowledge its for Nintendo Snes or a emulator (game compatability adapter) please tell me what a SUPER EAGLEmode is

Costume Changes?

One interesting thing to note would be the change in costume that Luigi, like Mario, has undergone since 1983. Luigi used to be Green and Grey/Brown depending on which version of Mario Bros. you played, and then in Super Mario Bros. they made him White and Green. After that, of course, his costume became as we know him now, but I figured it would be nice to note how he has changed thus far. --Yahweh 05:50, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup.

Needs better sectioning and organizing. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:17, 14 September 2005 (UTC) thats crazy

"Concept and Creation", 4th paragraph: someone needs to fix that "Super Mario USA" link, though this page is semiprotected...

Moving to Luigi.

I am going to move this article to Luigi. No disambig page is needed. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:13, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Luigi Mario

Luigi Mario is definetely his full name. I removed the text "believed to be [Luigi Mario]", "generally accepted as [canon]" and "it has never been supported by Nintendo," because it has. I directly mailed (snail mail) Nintendo many years ago when I was younger asking that question in particular, and they replied back telling me Luigi and Mario's last names were, in fact, "Mario." --Antoshi 07:17, 17 September 2005 (UTC) I highly doubt that

I'm quite disinclined to consider a letter to a fan, especially one introduced as anecdotal evidence, to be canonical. And the film and series certainly aren't canon. I believe that text should be replaced unless it's been shown that Miyamoto actually confirmed this. Other opinions? -- J44xm 22:10, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, I hardly doubt that Nintendo would lie to a fan. The original text for the article says that "Nintendo has not confirmed this", however says that Miyamoto, who created the characters, did confirm it. --Antoshi 07:38, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

It's not really a matter of lying, and I don't intend to

invalidate your letter. Nintendo of America has at times deviated from the source material. (Naming Peach "Toadstool" is a good example of this.) It's very possible that NoA did hold their surname to be Mario, but I'm not sure that anything even halfway canonical from Japan has ever claimed this. The article says that Miyamoto confirmed this, but there's no telling if that's true at all, which is why is should be mentioned with a grain of salt, as it were. Unless someone can confirm this, it's my opinion that the original text should be replaced, even if it's with a claim that NoA has, at least in the past, supported the Mario surname. (There's also a possibility that NoA retconned this.) -- J44xm 05:57, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps I should go ahead and try to find as much evidence supporting this as possible. This way, there won't have to be any mix-ups, reverts or contested additions to the article. --Antoshi 08:32, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

It wouldn't be a bad idea, honestly, because the Mario surname issue has been contested for some time. -- J44xm 03:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, after a while, I finally got this. From Deezer at themushroomkingdom.net:

"It's possible that there may not be another source. However, the title
"Mario Brothers" implies that they are brothers sharing the last name
"Mario". For example, the Everly Brothers are Don Everly and Phil
Everly. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everly_Brothers>"

That one is pretty obvious. Is it good enough to be considered canon? --Antoshi 20:53, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

I can appreciate your effort on this. Believe you me, I've been wondering about this for decades. But to answer your question, it's not canon. This is conjecture. Like the quote says, it could imply that but such individual impressions and assumptions are far from canonical (e.g., a game clearly saying so, Miyamoto saying so on record), so the article shouldn't read that "Mario" is their last name. The article should read that it might actually be their name, and that certain evidence could support this (e.g., the name Mario Bros.); but it shouldn't be stated that it is their name until something hard and tangible comes from Nintendo of Japan to support this. I think there should be a note, in your favor, that Nintendo of America (who, for things like this, is more of a middleman, really) has, on occasion, said this is so in the past. -- J44xm 12:13, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

The letters are original research and unverifiable. To cite WP itself -

Suppose you are writing a Wikipedia entry on a famous physicist's Theory X, which has been published in peer-reviewed journals and is therefore an appropriate subject for a Wikipedia article. However, in the course of writing the article, you contact the physicist and he tells you: "Actually, I now believe Theory X to be completely false." Even though you have this from the author himself, you cannot include the fact that he said it in your Wikipedia entry. Why not? Because it is not verifiable in a way that would satisfy the Wikipedia readership or other editors.

Basically, until some reputable sources start throwing it around (could happen one day, as interest in the Mario universe is quite strong and ever-increasing), the info is original research, and there isn't much that can be done about it. Mentioning the controversy would be fine, if you can indeed prove that there is controversy (shouldn't be too hard). Kil 18:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not even sure it's fair to call this bit speculation "widely believed among fans". It's a theory, but not one that's been widely documented. -- Lee Bailey^(talk) 03:34, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, in Super Mario 64 DS, a certain toad is impressed with Luigi and says' we'll have to start calling you the Luigi brothers soon.' They only call them Mario bros. because Mario does everything. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.142.130.34 (talk • contribs) .

Actually, Mario and Luigi's last name is Serigali. If you see on G4, in Game Makers about Mario, you see that they say about Mario and Luigi's last name.

Still, I think that a letter from the creator of Luigi is completely indesputable; if Miyamoto says Luigi's last name is Mario, then it is. No two ways about it. Hammer Bros. 00:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

In Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, Mario receives a letter which formally addresses him as "Mr. Mario" - although the game is not canonical with the main 'Mario' universe, I think we can agree that this instance along with the movie correlates towards the overall impression that Mario is their surname.143.92.1.40 (talk) 04:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Terms like "Mario Brothers" and "Mr. Mario" ALSO apply if the duo doesn't HAVE a surname. As far as I'm aware, the only Mario series characters with canonical surnames are E. Gadd and the Koopalings. Donkey Kong has one, it's true, but since the entire Kong clan plus several other major characters in the Donkey Kong series (such as K. Rool) have surnames, I'm treating that as part of the Donkey Kong series. Moreover, last names seem to be entirely optional in most Nintendo franchises (such as Metroid and the Zelda series), and many of Nintendo's most recognizable characters are referred to by only a first name OR a last name. The Donkey Kong and Starfox characters generally have last names, but in the vast landscape of Nintendo properties, they're the exception rather than the rule. Due to that, there's no reason to assume that Mario and Luigi definitely have last names and that we merely need to figure out what those may be - they might not have last names at all, and "Mario Brothers" might simply refer to "Mario and his brother" without any thought of last names. 65.33.206.108 (talk) 03:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

A recent article which is here says that the Surname of the famous plumber duo is in fact "Mario". Ztyran (talk) 21:05, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

As the originator of this section and being quite embarrassed by my overconfidence as a new guy on the scene, I'm inclined to follow the rules here and say not only is that link dead, but this was not linked from any Nintendo website and as such does not deem itself as notable enough to accept as canon. Just because an editor from Yahoo (or Wikipedia, harhar) says that it's true, it doesn't mean it is. Now, if that article were written by Nintendo, it would be a different story. --☆ Antoshi ☆ ^{T | C} 14:06, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Needs more images. Plus Anime OVA trilogy.

Compared to Mario's profile, Luigi seems lacking in images. All there is are the picture at the top of the article and Baby Luigi's picture.

Also, the article does not mention Luigi's appearance at the end of the Shiroyukihime chapter of the OVA trilogy. Here is a picture of his appearance in the story. - NES Boy 23:38, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

last name

its not hard to see that Luigi's last name is indeed 'Mario'. it said so in the movie and all the games have it writen on the top. "Mario Bros." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.111.2.2 (talk • contribs) . maybe you are right afterall. The movie is NOT canon. So unless Nintendo states Luigi's last name, Mario and Luigi remain without last names. Eratticus 05:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Luigi's Mansion

How is this not mentioned at all in this article when it's Luigi's first official game for himself? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.127.102.255 (talk • contribs) .

Maybe because it was (in my opinion) a stupid game. Wesz 09:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC) Maybe it's no fun (to you)but to me it's more fun than dancing around like a circus clown with entranced mushrooms in Super Mario Sunshine (both games are for Nintendo Gamecube. But this isn't about YOUR opininon, it's about the truth or facts, and the fact is that besides the fact that Luigi also starred in the Where's Mario game, he was also in this game and we have to at least mention it--Trowa440

Luigi's powers

Right now the 'powers' section includes a statement that it's believed that Luigi has "control over gravity". Unless this if from some anime, instruction manual, or other source I'm unaware of, that seems like kind of a silly statement. Obviously, normal physics don't apply within the Mario universe. People routinely run up walls, walk on clouds, and jump twice their own height vertically -- plus, I'm guessing flying turtles would probably be somewhat less than aerodynamically sound in real life. So, does this assertion have a source? Because if not, I think it's better not to worry about concepts like "gravity" in the within Mushroom Kingdom. -- Lee Bailey^(talk) 00:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC) Who ever told you that Luigi has control over gravity lied to you.

Development Section

I've added one, per other characters I've seen, in order to give the character some real-world background. Comments (and thoughtful edits, naturally!) would be extremely appreciated. I'm not sure if the tone is too conversational. I do have sources for all the information, although there might reference or two I have to add tommorrow. -- Lee Bailey^(talk) 03:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Super Mario 2. when you hold jump you hover. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.231.147.166 (talk • contribs) .

Further Cleanup

In order to avoid having a lot of short sections, I've attempted to combine the sections on Luigi's age, personality, and popularity into a section called "character". All of these sections cover elements of the fictional character; I left powers separate for now. -- Lee Bailey^(talk)

I removed this section...

There is also an officially licensed tee-shirt bearing the slogan "I Scored With The Princess", featuring an image of Luigi and Peach running whilst holding hands (although it does look more like Peach is being pulled by Luigi rather than running alongside him. Also the picture used is from Super Mario Bros. 3. official artwork. In the original artwork, Luigi and the Princess are running beside Toad while Raccoon Mario flies above). This tee-shirt is an authorised piece of merchandise by Nintendo of America, however it may just be a tongue-in-cheek joke, and doesn't necessarily have any baring on the canon of the game series. It is interesting to note though that the image on the tee-shirt has the "L" on Luigi's cap removed. This might suggest that the designers were trying to avoid the fact that it is blatantly Luigi in the depicted artwork.

...because unless I've missed an alternate design of this shirt, it appears that the design is not in color. Without the red/green indicator, there's no reason to assume this isn't supposed to be Mario. Yes, that's based on stock art of Luigi, but if you compare the shirt image here [1] with the original image at http://soulrain.tripod.com/LAS/pics/082500/il_smb_36.jpg (hosted by tripod, so copy/paste into browser) ... you can see the original image already included Luigi pulling the Princess by her arm, as he, Princess, and Toad are all running away from something -- not particularly romantic. It appears this is just cheap image recycling. This might have even been an unlicenced shirt design originally; I'm noticed a lot of inaccurate, unofficially looking merchandise coming from Nintendo these days. In any case, I don't think we should be basing our Luigi/Princess speculation on this. (And can you really say it's fair to describe that as "holding hands" anyway?) -- Lee Bailey^(talk)

The moustache says it all. Mario's 'stache is wavy at th bottom, and Luigi's is not. That is definitely Luigi. General Guy (talk) 19:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

BaconBoy914 (talk) 14:18, 4 February 2008 (UTC)== Super Smash Bros. ==

I added a section on his Super Smash Bros. appearences because they were hardly mensioned. Please add more info if you wish, I only put in how to unlock him. Thanks.

We need to addm something about SSBB.

Why did this page move?

Move it back!--NFAN3 12:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Can we have this page moved back to it's original title (Luigi)? It was moved to "Luigi (Mario)" without any discussion before the move. I think that an Admim is required to do this. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 03:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Contact the video game WikiProject to hear their opinion, then go to requested moves to request moving it back. -- ReyBrujo 03:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I did, they don't really care about the move. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 03:55, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Done and done. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 04:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Luigi (Mario) → Luigi – No prior discusson before being moved from Luigi to Luigi (Mario) SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 04:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

• Support Easily the most common Luigi. TJ Spyke 01:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

Add any additional comments

A user had moved this page without discussing it, and failed to change any links associated with it. Just to create a disambiguation page at Luigi (which is now a re-direct). -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 07:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Let's put off a vote until we discuss for a bit, eh? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

• Well, personally, when I say Luigi, I think in this character. Google returns information about this character first and foremost. The cases that are shown in the disambiguation are not really notable compared with Luigi Mario (I don't want to say a saint is not notable, but if you were talking about a saint, you would likely search for St. Luigi, Saint Luigi or similar). I remember reading somewhere that Wikipedia should go with the "less shocking result": if the casual user inputs Luigi in the search box, where should he arrive? However, PSP exists and is a disambiguation link (I would think just because Paint Shop Pro is a very common search result), both PC and P.C. exists and are disambiguation links, ET exists and is a disambiguation link, etc, I would not really care if Luigi were a disambiguation link, even though common sense states it should not be. -- ReyBrujo 12:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
• To be honest, I really don't care. I prefer Luigi to be the character, due to its popularity, and the unlikely event that people searching for it want someone else. Looking at the amount of redirects going into Luigi Orione, I really doubt that anyone searching for that will end up here. The only other Luigi article of worth is for a 60s Italian singer, and I think that this is easily the most wanted article. - Hahnchen 23:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
• Clearly Luigi is just as popular as his brother Mario. And as you can tell, Mario's page is just named "Mario". Any real person with these first names will also have a last name as well. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 02:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Why not Luigi Mario? The film named the characters Mario Mario and Luigi Mario (though the film may not be considered canon) and they are the Mario Brothers, suggesting their last name is Mario. --Geopgeop 03:51, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Most people wouldn't go looking for Luigi Mario, just Mario, methinks. Makron1n 21:47, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Unlock

Could someone please write up about how to unlock Luigi in Super Smash Bros. Melee. Coby 23:47, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a walkthrough. If you would like to know how to unlock Luigi, try asking at the reference desk. —The Great Llama^moo? 00:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

A few questions

"He is also described as being smarter than Mario in the Mario Party instruction manual"

Just a few questions: Why mention the Mario party manual at all in the text, and not simply provide a link to some page with it? Is it because manuals are, occasionally, not included when discussing canon aspects of a game? (Male/Female Birdo).

In addition, is a whole paragraph necessary to comment on Luigi's voice pitch through history? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Falco x Fox (talk • contribs) 02:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Someone requested a hand drawn image of Luigi from the NES games?

File:Luigiretro.jpg Would this work, or does it need to be after the pallet swap?Takuthehedgehog 22:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I also found this odd picture of Mario after the pallet swap and Luigi BEFORE the pallet swap, but this is probably too wide. Takuthehedgehog 22:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and added it myself. Takuthehedgehog 06:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Main Picture

I think we should have a new picture now, that one is pretty outdated and stale to me. - Luigi 128

What's wrong with it? The picture should only be changed when the character makes a non-minor change in his appearance. Just because the image is from 2 years ago doesn't mnean the art itself is outdated. –Llama man 21:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Lugis?! Luigs?!

Look, whoever is doing this, please stop, and change it back to normal.

-Smashman202, Feb. 7, 2007

I know how to make the Luigi artcle better.

We should add a picture of Luigi from this totally hot Luigi x Waluigi doujinshi I saw. I came.--YOSHIANDLINK1 20:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

But he still looks the same; why do we need a different image? — Malcolm^{Use the schwartz!} 02:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Just for a little variety, I suppose. I actually like that picture better than the current one. Hammer Bros. 00:55, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Naming

After a discussion in the Donkey Kong article, I decided to remove the info in this article that says that Mario and Luigi were named after a pizza parlor. If anyone has any qualms, raise them here.

I'm pretty sure I saw it in a Nintendo Power magazine a while back. I'd have to sift through my old issues because I have no clue which one it could have been. It was in the letters section though. Kuribo 11:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Oops, I already put the information back in before I saw this! But at any rate I don't see any rationale to remove it in the first place. The information does not state that both Luigi and Mario named after the pizza parlor, only Luigi. Therefore it doesn't conflict with the other source stating that Mario was named after Mario Segali. Like Kuribo I've also seen it in various Nintendo magazines, maybe I could dig one up as well to provide an additional source...Kingston Jr. 05:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Next Luigi Game

I heard something on an UK magazine about a next Luigi game. It stated that Shigeru Miyamoto would be the chief director, and the game would have a similiar (or a connective) plot to Super Mario 64. I would like to hear your opinions about it because I'm not sure if it is true. Mr. Mario 192 20:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Does this have to do with editing the article? It would help if you actually were specific about the magazine and what exactly was said, as all article content must be verifiable by reliable sources. "I heard something" is insufficient. Otherwise, I recommend you heed the talk page guidelines, which state: "it is usually a misuse of a talk page to continue to argue any point that has not met policy requirements." Dancter 01:05, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

It appears this bit has now been added to the article. I slapped it with a {{fact}} tag rather than removing it outright, though somebody needs to find a way to cite it quickly or it's going to be removed. Even if it is cited, it's still possible it may be removed depending on the reliability of the magazine in question (I know Wikipedia doesn't report rumors, but we have in the past reported when typically reliable video game publications reveal details of games not yet disclosed publicly by the developers). Jeff Silvers 13:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Name in Japanese

On Luigi's Japanese Wikipedia article, his name is spelled "ルイージ", in Katakana; in Super Smash Bros. Melee, though, should one decide to change the language setting to Japanese, it is spelled "るいぎ", in Hiragana. I know that, according to the Japanese grammatical system, either spelling is correct, but which is the official spelling? SpinyMcSpleen 05:56, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Luiji vs. Luigi -- the ki with the ten ten is pronounced gi, not ji. 23:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC) OMG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.78.20.197 (talk)

For borrowed names in Japanese (that is to say, any name or word that isn't of Japanese origin), Katakana is always used. Therefore, "ルイージ" is correct in this circumstance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.28.9 (talk) 08:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

?

"A running gag in the" are you sure its a running gag? it could seem that way but it could be a genuine plot element.Mambi55 23:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Have you played the game? It seems like a running gag, escpecially in the context of the conversations. — Malcolm (talk) 23:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

i have played mario games hes in a lot. is there a particular one you are asking about? i think some are just comic relief thats sstill a part of the plot that can confused with nintendo just making a running gag.Mambi55 05:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

They need an image of Luigi's appearence in the orignal Super Mario Bros. Game

Hello. Someone provided a pic of Luigi from the original Super Mario Bros. game, but then it was removed? Why was it removed? That's a piece of gaming history. I'd like to provide such an image but, how can I upload an image for this article?

user:mavericker 4:04 PM EST Mavericker 20:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

White area around main picture

Why is there more white area surrounding luigi.jpg than there was before? It looked better the other way -- 99.243.212.53 17:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

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Someone, please lock this article!!

I am tired of coming to this page every other day to find that it has been vandalised by someone, usually an IP address. Someone keeps blanking whole sections, someone else put the whole article in japanese. Not fun! It must stop! 98.16.171.239 15:55, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Proposal for Smash bros. appearance.

Would it be okay if I added this sentence to end of the appearances section(Right after the bit about Smash bros.)?;"His return in the latest sequel, Super Smash Bros. Brawl is pending, but likely, due to his standing as an important character in a flagship franchise.", would this be okay? Is it too long? Is it too fan crufty? I have no problem with not adding it, I just thought I should bring it up here first. Yoshiguy 20:54, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

It's original research and speculation, so no. Thanks for bringing it up here first, though. — Malcolm (talk) 21:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Righto. I thought it sounded a bit too speculative. Thanks. Yoshiguy 02:05, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Super Smash Bros. Brawl

I'm getting tired of constantly reverting, "It is unknown if Luigi will be a playable character in Super Smash Bros. Brawl." Simply, we don't know if he will be, we don't know if he won't be. Until it is officially stated one way or the other, stop adding that statement! SpinyMcSpleen 05:23, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

What's the problem, we don't know if he'll be a playable charecter, sounds like a true statment to me.Vadahata2 (talk) 16:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

It's not a problem. Luigi is in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Check on the Game's official site. Sorry i don't know the address. Matthew (talk) 13:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Check the dateline on SpinyMcSpleen's post, Matthew -- 1 November 2007. 98.16.162.212 (talk) 07:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

D'OH! Matthew is now 31306D696E6E69636B6D (talk) 18:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

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super smash brothers brawl

Until you people can add a reference about luigi being a playable character in ssbb, I will still revert your edits. RC-0722 ^communicator/_kills 19:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

why?

is anyone but me creeped out by the 'mario is missing' pic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki443556 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, he look like snively whiplash from dudley do-right. :) RC-0722 ^communicator/_kills 21:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Haha, yeah, it's scary. It's also a popular internet meme known as "WEEGEE." I kid you not, however, that depiction of Luigi does exist in certain versions of Mario is Missing. Kuribo (talk) 06:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Protect Request

I just restored a previously deleted section, and restored the SMB 2 (JPN and USA version) info.

Now, before this page gets vandalised again, I am requesting that this page be at least semi-protected. This has gone far enough, and action needs to be taken ASAP. Brittany Ka (talk) 12:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Rolled up pant legs

He also appears in the Super Smash Bros. series, the most recent game in that series being Super Smash Bros. Brawl.[7] Like many of the characters in the game, Luigi's design was updated specifically for Brawl, gaining more detailed overalls and gloves, as well as slightly rolled up sleeves on his overalls.

should be rolled up pant legs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.196.252.158 (talk) 19:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Main image

Whose idea was it to put Luigi's artwork from Super Smash Bros. Brawl as the main image? It was intended to be used in the "Appearances in other games" section and nothing more. Furthermore, the Brawl image is just a one-off redesign and does not reflect Luigi's upcomming appearances such as Mario Kart Wii. — NES Boy (talk) 00:34, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

How come there is no image right now? Useight (talk) 06:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

super Luigi Galaxy!!

someone submit his super mario galaxy involvment! come on! how can you not be on top of that already?Madhatter9max (talk) 21:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

ok I saw it listed in the section "other games", but that's still not right. it goes in the mario bros. series.Madhatter9max (talk) 21:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

We still gotta find a new image !

The image in the article got deleted, can anyone who knows evrything about copyright policy upload a new one and prove the it is copyrighted ? --Alex 8194 (talk) 15:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

You can try in Super Mario Wiki [2] because in the Mario article, someone uploaded the image of him there and it didn't get deleted. --Alex 8194 (talk) 14:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I moved the image at the bottom of the article to the infobox. FightingStreet (talk) 22:15, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I guess I uploaded an unacceptable image (just for the sake of getting an image on the page). I don't deal with images, but I'm glad we've got something there now. I hope we can keep one there for more than a couple weeks at a time. Useight (talk) 22:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

It probably won't last very long, as it doesn't contain an FUR for why it should be included in Luigi. The Prince (talk) 22:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Huh? It does contain one. We're talking about Image:Luigibrawl.jpg right? FightingStreet (talk) 22:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it needs a rationale similar to this one. The current FUR is too vague. The Prince (talk) 22:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

The template is actually newer than this text which gets copy-pasted everywhere. Are you sure the image can be deleted? From what I've seen, only the images that have no FUR at all ever get deleted (by bots, moreover, not even human users). FightingStreet (talk) 22:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I've experienced before that images with vague FURs have been deleted, or placed with this template {{di-disputed fair use rationale}}. The Prince (talk) 22:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Ruiji = Japanese for "resemblance"

Ruiji is Japanese for "resemblance" and "similarity".[3] We all know that L and R are the same sounds in Japanese, so that means the words Luigi and ruiji are pronounced the same way. Is it a coincidence? FightingStreet (talk) 19:03, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I looked it up in a Jap-Eng dictionary, and you're correct! Maybe Miyamoto thought this up when developing Mario Bros. Slapmeorelse (talk) 16:42, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I have also noticed this. It's original research if we don't have a source for it, though. - Richard Cavell (talk) 06:17, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I have a source! In fact I came across this source while looking up information for something else and noticed the info wasn't in the article. In 1986 there was an article about Mario in the New Straits Times which mentions Luigi and the source of his name:

And brother Luigi? "To make it a game we had to have two similar characters to compete and "Ruiji" is Japanese for the word "similar"," Miyamoto added.

It appears to be a Reuters syndicated article, and this page seems to confirm it. Someone else should add it into the article though; I'm not sure how to properly cite it. --TheSophera (talk) 14:42, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I've added it. The references need standardisation - they're all cited in different formats. - Richard Cavell (talk) 00:24, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Luigi's Age

We need to get it clear as to what Luigi's age is. Not the exact age, as nobody knows. I mean in comparison to Mario.

Many sources state Luigi as either Mario's younger brother, or Mario's twin brother. I recently added a source that phrase (at the bottom of the Characteristics section, talking about how old Luigi is) which shows his trophy information in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, which says he's his younger twin. However, there were also contradicting trophy sources submitted by 71.248.3.43 about Paper Luigi's trophy info, saying that he's just his younger bro.

I believe Luigi's trophy info is the correct source, and that he is indeed Mario's twin. But is this the correct source? SuperSonic (talk) 21:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe that they are twins, but that Mario was the one born first. Meaning that Luigi is younger in minutes only, or something like that. 12-7-08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.3.42.172 (talk) 01:21, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Long dead discussion, but I think it's worth pointing out that they were delivered by the stork at the same time in Yoshi's Island--The Kytan Apprentice (talk) 03:53, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Mama Luigi voice clip

could someone upload a voice clip of "That's 'Mama Luigi' to you, Mario"? I think it's necessary, given the line's popularity on sites like YouTube —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.218.92.100 (talk) 03:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Category suggestions

Fictional characters who can fly

Fictional sportspeople

Comments? - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:21, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

They're both unsourced, so no. This seemed innapropriate. The article doesn't cite this. Even if it did, he isn't your usual flier (like the Z-Fighters from Dragon Ball). Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:33, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

... no.--Jakezing (talk) 12:39, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Characteristics

I am looking at the characteristics page, but it makes little sense. It says "Luigi is generally considered weaker and inferior to his brother, Mario, in every way except for his superior jumping ability", yet there is no proof to back this up. Hell, on almost all games, they have equal stats, and abilities nearly the same, other than Luigi's jumping abilities & lower traction. Not even the characters within the game gives any mention towards Luigi being considered weaker & inferior. And when I say inferior, I mean it ability-wise, not as the inferior brother overall.

It even says that they have equal to identical abilities on the "Powers & Abilities" section, so where do we get that from? I am a huge Luigi fan, and even I say that their are far too many opinions on that page. i don't care if there are negative views on the page, as long as they are somewhat backed up.

As for the topic of Luigi's age, it is perfectly possible to be the younger twin. So I can't see how it is contradictory.Simple796 (talk) 05:46, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Go play that "Mario" game then where you cna play as toad, peach, mario or luigi, and play as mario, then luigi, they are not the same there. that and it goes to logic that fatm ario cant jump as tall as skinny luigi.--Jakezing (talk) 12:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't prove anything, but a one time game. There is no real reference officially. Peach never floats in any other game (on her ow power) other than Smash Brothers, and that point in the game is a direct reference to the gam eyou are talking about. If we are to use that logic, in Smash Brothers, Luigi is stroner than Mario, his moves doing more damage. Does that count? Also, in Super Mario 64 for the DS, Luigi has the exact same stats as Mario, only Luigi has better jumping. Does that mean Luigi is better now?

In Brawl, his trophy info (which may be taken into consideration) states that his skills matches Mario, but he is the better jumper. If we are going to state the he is "generally considered weaker & inferior", we need much more than a little one-game instance. "Generally" means that it is a pretty universal fact around the Mario universe, and that is not evident. Even Nintendo states constantly on any Luigi profile, how they are pretty much the same, with higher jumping skills, less traction, etc.

And there is no proof that Mario can't jump higher than Weegee because he is fatter. For Christ sakes,he grows ten times bigger by eating a bloated mushroom. I thought that this was an information site, not an opinions or speculatin site.--Simple796 (talk) 19:23, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I make a few words and suddenluy you make a multi-paragraph respince on thingws i didn't say?--Jakezing (talk) 22:47, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, either get serious, or stop wasting my time. I back up everythig I say, and stated your "few words" in detail, for anyone else with the same half assed point. If you're ot here to fix upi the article, and just to make a few words, go do something else. I'm not here to have small talk, I'm here to fix this article.Simple796 (talk) 00:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

This should be mentioned.

The 'Mama Luigi' episode has been the subject of many YouTube Poops. 81.146.49.68 (talk) 16:36, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

          Yes it has and I think it should be mentioned on this article!

Relations: Daisy

Besides fan speculation and hints in various games, such as Smash bros Melee, it seems to have been officially confirmed that Luigi and Daisy are a couple. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.105.81 (talk) 21:35, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

In Mario Kart Wii, on the Daisy Circuit(or whatever its called), Luigi and Daisy have a statue of them dancing. I would say its pretty official. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 13:34, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Dancing does not necessarily mean you're in a relationship. I would think it has to be specifically stated by Nintendo or does not count... It has never been officially confirmed by Nintendo. BAPACop (converse) 19:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

There should be mention of a possible relationship between them. It was in the Super Mario Bros (film) and many other hints. While it may not be official it should at least be noted.--JDDJS (talk) 15:08, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I will cite it but can you cite video games?--JDDJS (talk) 21:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC) http://stars.ign.com/objects/963/963167_biography.html, HAL Laboratory. Super Smash Bros. Melee. (Nintendo). Nintendo GameCube. (2001-12-03), Here are a couple of references but i am not good at citing--JDDJS (talk) 21:57, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

"Age" section

This is all original research. Content on Wikipedia has to directly cite reliable sources, and most of the content in this section is either unsourced or vaguely sourced, with citations like "Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Nintendo." at best. Unless such material is sourced properly, it should be removed. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 12:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

What's so controversal about his age?

It's obvious they meant younger brother as in he's the younger twin. Twins can't be born at the same time,so one has to be the older twin and one has to be the younger twin. 98.14.15.12 (talk) 11:50, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

B-B-B-BAGEL

I believe that we should put Luigis very famous "BAGEL" saying. Sure it was on a show that I bet Nintendo tries to forget, but people need to be informed on this great meme.

Luigi was used for it and so that is my reason it should be in this article. I am surprised it isn't here yet.

I hope there are people that agree with this and one day I can get on Wikipedia and search "Luigi" and see such a famous quote.

I have never heard of this meme ever before. The only way it will be mentioned in here is if you find a reliable source that talks about it. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 18:47, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Well you must live in your parents basement because if you go to youtube and search up "Luigi Bagel" you will see many videos on just that saying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.139.65.1 (talk) 13:37, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

you must live in your parents basement if all you do is watch youtube videos about luigi and bagels -.- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.184.100 (talk) 18:55, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

What he meant by that was that it's a wide thing on Youtube. You must roam Wikipedia all day you Weeaboo :l

There are more memes than that...there's a large amount of 'wigi' memes and they NEED to be posted here because they're a fairly large pop coulture reference now.

Abilities section

Luigi's Abilities section is way too big. It needs to be summarized and cut down extremely. It is twice as big as the Appearences section! _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 15:28, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

How about locking the article?

I mean to help protect it from vandlizm. The Mario page is locked, so shoulden't the Luigi Page be locked also? BoutDragon (talk) 01:39, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, articles aren't locked based on subject, but rather how much the page has been vandalized. If it's been vandalized a lot within a short amount of time from different editors, most of which are unregistered or new, then it would be appropriate to semi-protect the article. Looking at the history, it may be enough for page protection, but I personally doubt it as it is widespread time-wise. If more vandals come today and tomorrow, then I could see it happening. Don't let me make the judgement for you, though. You can make a request at WP:RPP and an admin will evaluate and protect if necessary. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Luigi as a meme

• Can we have some information about Luigi as an internet meme because his name "Luigi" sounds like he's pronounced "LuWEEGEE" and a lot of users on Youtube used that name on their videos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.255.96 (talk) 00:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Weegee you say?

Why isn't weegee in this article as a documented meme/--Malleus Felonius (talk) 21:56, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Memes aren't really notable unless they are noticed to a large degree by reliable sources. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 22:49, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect

It says in the first paragraph that Mario and Luigi are fraternal twin brothers. They are Identical.(Someone please fix this.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.98.108.51 (talk) 16:19, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

If they're identical, why is Luigi taller? JDDJS (talk) 20:02, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Super Mario RPG legend of the seven stars`

I don't recall luigi even making the most trivial of appearances in this game. Why does it say so in the article? i kan reed (talk) 14:27, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

The Luigi and Daisy Couple has been confirmed.

As I was loooking at sites this and another Mario site it still say that their relationship is a rumor. Years ago I found an article about this on Nintendo Power confirming that this couple is official, so why hasn't this been sited yet?

I'm sure all who read that article on that month that info came out would agree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monty2011 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

"A Koopa's Revenge"?

In Other media it states Luigi appeared in the video game "A Koopa's Revenge". This statement is not sourced at all, no link is given to a page about this supposed game (which I've never heard of-and I'm a huge Mario fan), and I doubt if this game is even real. Thoughts? --Nathan2055^{talk - review} 21:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

A Koopa's Revenge is a fan-made game that can be found at Newgrounds. --Richskim (talk) 19:37, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Missing Information

Luigi also appeared as the main character in Mario is Missing for Super Nintendo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.41.148.220 (talk) 21:13, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

I think someone accidentally a word

"Luigi is also ranked at #2 on ScrewAttack's top 10 list, where they comment that even though does everything Mario does, he gets none of the glory." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.149.255.193 (talk) 21:43, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Luigi's availability as a primary character

The page currently writes this in the introduction:

Luigi first appeared in the 1983 arcade game Mario Bros. as the character controlled by the second player, and retained this role in Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, and other titles. The first game where he was available as a primary character was Super Mario Bros. 2.

However, Luigi was first featured as one of the primary characters in [Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels] (the real Super Mario Bros. 2), which was released earlier than [Super Mario Bros. 2] (the Doki Doki Panic clone). Alvinwong (talk) 08:48, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect plural form of anime

Japanese nouns are mass nouns so a "s" will not be added to make them plural. In the infobox, the Japanese noun "anime" is inappropriately pluralized as "animes". This is incorrect and should changed to "anime" instead. 24.149.119.20 (talk) 14:40, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Done. This is English, not Japanese. Animes does exist in English, but is proscribed by some authorities, so the anime form is better. Also the infobox also has "television", so I guess we're referring to the genre rather than to instances. --Stfg (talk) 18:27, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2013

76.23.69.89 (talk) 21:41, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

• Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Empty request. Technical 13 (talk) 05:12, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Simple English Luigi article

How come the Simple English Luigi article only has a picture of his emblem to represent him? I think it'd be a better article if an actual photo of him was on there. Mr. Lean 'n' Green (talk) 20:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Because the Simple English wiki has stronger fair use guidelines, which means we can not use images that are copyrighted, such as character art. The emblem was created by a user, and is fair use. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 22:11, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for clearing that up for me. In that case, can I add personally edit an emblem of Princess Daisy, Yoshi, and maybe a few other articles that don't currently have pictures? Mr. Lean 'n' Green (talk) 16:55, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Incorrect first appearance.

Luigi's first appearance was in the 1983 game Mario Bros. for the Game and Watch. This was released in March while the Mario Bros. arcade game was released in July. Who knows which game began development first, but the first publicly released game with Luigi was the Game and Watch game (which is not at all like the Arcade game). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faladrin (talk • contribs) 15:15, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

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I noticed that on the "Year of Luigi" section, none of the game titles listed are italicized, which I think should be fixed. 74.134.13.42 (talk) 17:14, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

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Article name should be changed to Luigi Mario

Luigi has a last name, it is Mario. Him and Mario Mario are the Super Mario Bros.

The following is a quote from the official Super Mario Bros movie (1993):

Sergeant Simon: Name.

Mario: Mario.

Sergeant Simon: Last name.

Mario: Mario.

Sergeant Simon: And you?

Luigi: Luigi.

Sergeant Simon: Luigi Luigi?

Luigi: No, Luigi Mario.

Sergeant Simon: Okay how many Marios are there between the two of you?

Luigi: Three: Mario Mario and Luigi Mario.

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The dialouge between the characters were probably more likely intended as a joke, plus, Luigi's brother, Mario's article is not named "Mario Mario."Thissecretperson (talk) 23:45, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

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Untitled 1

Luigi's first appearance was in the 1983 arcade game Mario Bros.[7] as the character controlled by the second player. He retained this role in Wrecking Crew.

This is incorrect. Mario Bros. is a title for the Game & Watch released on March 14th, 1983. This game featured both Mario and Luigi as characters. The original Mario Bros. (arcade game) released on July 14th, 1983. Therefore, Luigi's first appearance was in Mario Bros. for the Game & Watch., which released exactly three months earlier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.216.138 (talk) 19:16, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2018

I would like to change the image to Luigi's "Mario Party 10" artwork. Thank you. WaluigiWahWah (talk) 10:45, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

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