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Lat/long

HEIGHT PLEASE! I can't find reliable latitude and longitude figures for Lop Nur; I've seen 41 degrees 51 minutes N, 89 degrees 92 minutes east quoted, but not from anywhere I trust. That location gives a point near the east of the Tarim basin. If someone can find reliable coordinates, I should be able to produce a satellite photo (using NASA World Wind) either of it or of the surrounding area. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:02, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

• If you search Lop Nur imagery in the net you get repeteadly photos of the ear-shaped area around 40º15' N and 90º15' E. As far as I've read, and from the maps I remember in a TV documentary about its discovery, that's the actual Lop Nur basin. July 27, 2005.
  • Thanks. A further search of that area with google earth finds a label for Lop Nur at 40°30′3″N 90°29′55″E. I can't find any sign of human activity there, but the label is confirmed by several map sources. It's possible the test site isn't quite there, that (like the Semipalatinsk Test Site they just name it after the nearest city, which in such a sparsely populated place isn't that near). Still, we know what neighbourhood it is now. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 13:09, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Remains of nuclear test

I removed text saying that the remains of a nuclear test are visible at 41.722602°N 88.736184°E / 41.722602; 88.736184. Those coordinates appear to be an active mine of some sort, possibly coal. My geology is not up to the task of making a confident guess. Basically, it looks like a small town surrounding a large black stain on the otherwise beige landscape with a black stained dirt road heading west-southwest. –BozoTheScary 22:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

See also item moved here from article

In the book The Demon in the Freezer, the author, Richard Preston, states that a bioweapons production and storage facility is located at Lop Nur and is possibly responsible for the production of Variola Major, a deadly strain of smallpox.

The above sentence was under the See also heading in the article. If the information can be sourced (WP:V} and if the material is appropriate, it should go into the main body of the article.

Sincerely, Mattisse 19:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge

Is there any point of having separate Lop Lake and Lop Desert articles? Both deal with the same area around the former lake, and the distinction is somewhat theoretical. The wider area is discussed in Taklamakan.--Joostik (talk) 13:52, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

• Strongly agree. I think the articles should be merged - especially as now "Lop Lake" is really limited to pockets of water in the desert at best. Sincerely, John Hill (talk) 07:46, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
• Agree. But, one fact here, no one call it Lop Desert instead of the Lop Lake in Han Chinese as traditional, and the local Mongols and Uyghurs call it Lop Nur .--WWbread （Open Your Mouth?） 14:17, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
• Disagree They are not the same. Lop Desert covers a wider area than Lop Nor. Hzh (talk) 20:47, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 17:42, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

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Lop Lake → Lop Nur – Most common name in scholarly works.

Google scholar hit count:

• "lop nur" + lake: "about 1380"
• "lop nur" + lake: "about 953"
• "lake lop" + lake: "about 166"
• "lop lake" + lake: "about 160"

Yaan (talk) 22:12, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose Google scholar search being used in the nominaton is GERMAN, not English, it clearly specifies a German Language Search. use Lop Nor instead.

  Gscholar (in ENGLISH):

  "lop nor" 2.7khits

  "lop nur" 1.9khits

  "lop lake" 160 hits

  "lake lop" 152 hits

  Gnews (in ENGLISH):

  "lop nur" 357 hits

  "lop nor" 2200 hits

  70.24.248.23 (talk) 05:18, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Comment: The google scholar results for "hl=en" and "hl=de" look pretty identical to me. That you have different results is only because you search for different words (e.g. just "lop nur", not "lop nur" + "lake"). Incidentically, if one looks ínto the higher-numbered result pages of your query, there are quite a few non-english results (example). Yaan (talk) 22:24, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

P.S. A look into the google scholar advanced search interface makes me suspect that google sholar does not even support language-specific searches.

• Support Merriam-Webster's geographical dictionary, recommended by the Chicago Manual of Style as a reference for geographic names, gives this name in the proposed form. Kauffner (talk) 06:51, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
• Strongly Support Lop Nur is the form used in both the current edition of the Times Comprehensive Atlas of the World (the premier world atlas in English), as well as by the current edition of Encyclopaedia Britannica. It is also closest to the local pronunciation as I can attest after visiting the region just south of it earlier this year. Finally, it is the form I (after careful consideration) chose to standardise on in my own book, Through the Jade Gate to Rome (2009). John Hill (talk) 11:12, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
• Support but unsure whether Lop Nur or Lop Nor is better. ––虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 17:32, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

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Lop Nur or Lop Nor?

I would suggest that we keep "Lop Nur" as this comes closer in English to the local pronunciation than "Lop Nor" (though neither is exact) and this form is also well-established and accepted in English writing on it. I was there last year and remember clearly how the locals pronounced it. Sincerely, John Hill (talk) 22:56, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Where was Taiterma Lake?

Can someone give the location of Taiterma Lake? It is not in Hedin's book or the Gizi map of Xinjiang. Benjamin Trovato (talk) 09:35, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Marked here to the south west of Lop Nur - [1], presumably west of Kara-Koshun and north east of Charklik/Ruoqiang, (perhaps roughly where a lop is marked in the Folke Bergman map given in the article). Hzh (talk) 14:39, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

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Report concerning water in Lop Nur

“生命禁区”罗布泊再现“碧波荡漾” Geographyinitiative (talk) 06:19, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

It is artificially pumped water from aquafer. Here is a video in English about it. --Voidvector (talk) 19:14, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

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Wording

What the article calls "human intervention" is put much clearer in the German-language Wikipedia article : Water from the river that were once flowing into the Lop Nur basin were used for settlements, and the rest from the Bosten-Lake was used to flow into the Yanji-basin, and because of that Lop Nur dried out, destroying a long-living biome. That's how II understand the German-language article. Even the initiators of the work to let water flow towards settlements "since 1949" is named. 2A0A:A540:32B0:0:A0BC:9196:6288:8B6B (talk) 10:18, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Please see WP:BURDEN, the corresponding text in the German wikipedia is not sourced and wikipedia is not regarded as a reliable source per WP:CIRCULAR. We need high quality sources for this claim. JimRenge (talk) 11:09, 18 January 2022 (UTC)