Talk:Loggerheads, Staffordshire

Etymology & article expansion.

I don't think the information about the Loggerheads name is accurate, it may require updating. --HM2K 00:34, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedias own article describes the term "Loggerhead" as... an 18th century tool for reheating drinks. It consists of an iron cylinder about 2 cm. in diameter and 5 cm. long affixed to an iron or wooden rod. It is used by first putting it in the fire until it is heated red, then the red-hot metal is plugned into a cup containing the cold drink... if this is the case then it would surely come as no surprise that a "loggerhead" should be associated with a Pub or Hostelry?

Having lived there when I was young I can tell you that no one is too sure where the name came from, but one other possibility which is the one I was always told, is that because the village is at the edge of three county's (shropshire, staffordshire, cheshire) there was a disagreement as to which county should be responsible for it and were "at loggerheads" over who's it was. I can also vouch for the pub sign as it's something I remember well, but I'm fairly sure the original meaning comes from a disagreement.

I have commented out this section until sources are found for it. This article is OK, but needs expansion. Sources are the first thing that we need to look for.

Article To-Do List
Find sources for the village name	Get suitable images for this article.

--Solumeiras ^talk 19:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Looking at this again, I found a related source for the etymology. "Battle of Blore Heath which took place in 1459 at Loggerheads"[1]. As a kid, I was told that "Loggerheads" was named so, because the two sides were "at loggerheads" with each other, the area known as Loggerheads, became a settlement as a result of this war. If someone could provide better citation, it would be much appreciated. --Hm2k (talk) 19:54, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I've taken the comment about the etymology out of the article until it can be correctly sourced:

The village and local pub (The Loggerheads Hotel, newly refurbished late 2009) has what many regard as an unusual name. The pub has recently re-opened the kitchen.

The etymology of the village is doubtful.

Some claim that it is derived from the logging activities which used to take place in the nearby wood (The Burntwood), while a less likely explanation states that it is derived from the Battle of Blore Heath (ie two sides at loggerheads). However, the most likely explanation comes from the pub itself, until recent years, the pub had an old sign on its NE wall depicting three fools or "log 'eds", from which the pub took its name. It later led to the village's name.

The pub is referred to as "The Three Loggerheads" by a 19th century writer in a discussion of the Battle of Blore Heath, which is now hanging in Mucklestone church. Unfortunately, the sign itself was removed from the pub in the mid 1990s.

--Hm2k (talk) 11:55, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

After a bit of research I've found two sources which seem to backup this story.

• "Loggerheads is in Staffordshire but close to the borders with Shropshire and Cheshire. The village takes its name from the name of the main pub - which used to be known as The Three Loggerheads"[2]
• "The village of Loggerheads (rapidly becoming a small town) has what many regard as an unusual name, the origins of which are unclear. Some have claimed that it derives from the logging activities which used to take place in the nearby woods, whilst a less likely explanation argues that it derives from the battle (ie two sides at Loggerheads). However the most likely explanation comes from the pub itself. Until recent years the pub had an old sign on its NE wall depicted three fools or "log 'eds", from which the pub took its name, and which then eventually gave rise to the village name. The pub is referred to as "The Three Loggerheads" by a 19th century writer in a discussion of the battle, which is now hanging in Mucklestone church. Parts of the pub itself date back to the 13th century."[3]
• "The Loggerheads Hotel is still present. Unfortunately the old "odd sign" was removed sometime in the mid 1990s."[4]

A low resolution copy of this article is found online[5], but it's not clear enough to read it. I will attempt to get a high resolution copy.

--Hm2k (talk) 12:05, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Loggerheads Sanatorium - historical query

I notice the TB sanatorium is stated to have been begun in 1962, a mere seven years before its year of closure (1969). Is 1962 correct or do I discern a misprint? I suspect the latter because I have read (more than a decade agao) of accounts of its being active between the World Wars but forgot when it was stated to have been founded.Cloptonson (talk) 19:22, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

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