Talk:List of political parties in Wales

LIBEL - DELETING - " fell apart after its members were arrested by police for conspiracy to plant bombs "

LIBEL - DELETING - " fell apart after its members were arrested by police for conspiracy to plant bombs " - from Welsh Socialist Republican Movement.

Why ? ... WSRM were infiltrated : yes - there was a bomber - he came from Germany - and many were arrested - and charged with conspiracy - but - their " confessions " were written before they were arrested - all of this was demonstrated in court - the bomber was jailed - the innocents were acquitted - OK ?

I was not a member of WSRM - but I strongly object to this libel being perpetrated against my friends who were - please choose a different phrasing ...

... I am going to delete the phrase " fell apart after its members were arrested by police for conspiracy to plant bombs " you can choose another - OK ?

PS - I replaced " fell apart after its members were arrested by police for conspiracy to plant bombs " with " defunct - its successor was Cymru Goch."

DaiSaw (talk) 19:11, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Forming a consensus

Greetings, Llemiles. Please use this talk page to discuss edits so we are not editing over each other and can come to agreements. I have been trying to compromise with your edits but we should really come to an understanding. I think the page is looking fine now. My main issue with your edits has been adding uncited claims, which is original research and should not take place on Wikipedia. All claims should be supported by at least one citation from a reliable source. Helper201 (talk) 22:35, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Helper201 (talk · contribs). That is fine, likewise I've been trying to accommodate your edits even if I may not fully agree with the approach. Each addition I've made has been based on content I've located, however in many cases they originate from other articles or are on sources I have not been able to find the time to cite. Please be assured I'm not just making stuff up, and I'll be adding as much detail as I can. A few changes I've made now with sources that I believe are non controversial and evidenced in my sources:

Big tent/catch all is a political position. It's stated on the Brexit Party entry at List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_Kingdom and the Brexit Party article explains in more detail why the diverse range of candidates the party fielded in 2020 is demonstrative of their 'big tent' approach. There are plenty of good political theory pieces which explain the concept in more detail.

The ATWA candidate in local gov is definitely within Powys County Council, not just Powys. News coverage of the individual joining the party provides clarity on that.

Llanelli Rural has a section within that page about the local council, hence why I'd linked to it. Cilybebyll Community Council is more challenging so I've maintained a link to the article about the village, acknowledging we're unlikely to ever have an article on the council.

Euroscepticism is key to the present day Liberal Party offshoot. It's in their policy document and on the main article for the party.

Likewise the Greens are clearly a Republican, pro-European, eco-socialist party. I've added a number of sources for this but the most obvious is the main Party article here and the fact they campaigned under the Unite to Remain cause at the last election.

Gwlad Gwlad are acknowledged as a right wing party and their main article further supports this.

ATWA are a single issue party and this is also a party position. If you're single issue by definition you cannot be on the spectrum because you have no views on the issues which parties are measured on.

Although I acknowledge libertarianism is not a 'political position' on List of political parties in the United Kingdom, its own article introduces how "The use of the term libertarian to describe a new set of political positions" developed. I'd suggest (but have not committed) that it is a position.

Socialist Party have the name Socialist Party Wales and this is shown on their website. They are Far-left. As are Christian Party whose Welsh entity is also run by Jeff Green who runs the UK entity. So both are Right-wing. FInally WEP are Centre-left all as per List of political parties in the United Kingdom.

Any queries, let me know. Llemiles (talk) 01:43, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Llemiles.

1. I'm fine with saying the Brexit Party is big tent or single issue.

2. AWTA - sure, no problem.

3. I'm aware about the Liberal Party's Euroscepticism, again, no problem.

4. Greens, I do not agree. The Welsh Greens are semi-autonomous and their ideologies are hard to define. These claims come from the Green Party of England and Wales, how much they overlap to the Welsh party is hard to tell. The citation you gave for them also doesn't support your claim of them being left-wing. I say just stick to saying they follow green politics.

5. Gwlad Gwlad are centre-right, not right-wing, per the source.

6. I agree on ATWA being single-issue.

7. We don't use libertarianism in any political party infobox's for the political position section, only as an ideology.

8. No problems with these last points.

Helper201 (talk) 02:00, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

To expand the sources you give for the Welsh Greens break WP:SYNTHESIS. The source does not call the party left-wing. As for the claim of eco-socialist, the source is referring to a candidate not the party itself (again, see the synthesis rule). The republicanism claim is very old being from 2001. I had a look through the party's latest policy document from 2018 and it does not even mention the monarchy or republicanism. See - https://wales.greenparty.org.uk/resources/Wales/2018%20PfSSiW.pdf . The pro-European claim is accurate, but could probably do with a better source (preferably third-party). Helper201 (talk) 02:06, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

This is part of the reason why I left political positions out for the minor parties with only local representation. The Wales Green Party is very hard to label as it does not get much coverage independent of GPEW. Therefore, to say it has no political position by using N/A is likely inaccurate and a specific position claim is very hard to come by. Unless there is a way of formatting the table where we can leave out the political position parameter for selected parties that we can't cite? I don't know if that is doable or not. Helper201 (talk) 02:11, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

The reason I take the national Greens platform is based on the fact there is no electoral entity referred to as the Wales Green Party. The only entity registered with the EC is the Green Party and the Welsh one is a branch, unlike the Scottish Greens. Hence their UK AGM is where party wide decisions are made. Their candidate in Newport West is Deputy Leader and was at their national AGM and not identified in any way with the Welsh entity. It's for that reason that the Scottish Greens went solo in order to carve out their own policy agenda. Llemiles (talk) 19:03, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

That's my point, that is your take, a view, an opinion, not fact. The issue is the Wales Green Party is semi-autonomous and it is not clear to what degree its autonomy differentiates it from GPEW. The Scottish Greens are a totally separate party. Womack has stood in both England and Wales. Helper201 (talk) 20:02, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

I think it is going to be broadly the same being a part of GPEW. Its just important we keep to the WP:SYNTHESIS rule and only use sources that specifically support whatever claim is made. Helper201 (talk) 20:10, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

2021 Election results update

Deleting Plaid Diddymu Cynulliad Cymru, Plaid Annibyniaeth y DU, and Propel from the list of major parties as they have lost all their seats in the Senedd. If someone else could add them to the list of minor parties that would be greatly appreciated as i’m a fairly inexperienced editor and i’m not sure how to source them properly, sorry

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