Talk:List of female electronic musicians

Kate Bush

Not sure how Kate Bush can be considered a female electronic musician. Singer-songwriter and music video pioneer yeah, but electronics? -- MiG 15:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps because of her association with the Fairlight CMI? -- Rob Kam (talk) 17:40, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Diva of the Diode

What about Suzanne Ciani —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.93.200.199 (talk) 23:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC).

Added. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 21:58, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Suzanne Ciani has been NPOV for years, with half the content by one writer, but NPOV even before that.

Also Wikipedia:WikiProject_Electronic_music is dormant.

.... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 17:43, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2014

Please add Deniz Kurtel electronic musician and DJ

Postinternet (talk) 02:21, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

A short biography on one 'zine isn't enough to satisfy WP:MUSIC notability guidelines. If you think you have enough reliable sources to support WP:MUSIC, feel free to create an article about Kurtel. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 02:26, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I admit that was a poor link, but she is larger than that, she's on Crosstown Rebels, the same label as Maceo Plex and Art Department. http://www.nge-booking.com/artists/deniz-kurtel/biography http://www.crosstownrebels.com/artist/deniz-kurtel http://www.fabriclondon.com/blog/view/catching-up-with-deniz-kurtel-crosstown-rebels whatever, I'll just make a page when I have time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usrrname (talk • contribs) 02:14, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2014

Xyramat (www.soundcloud.com/xyramat) 93.198.195.189 (talk) 06:55, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 07:29, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Edit request

I made a page for Jessy Lanza. She should totally be on this list. Usrrname (talk) 08:11, 29 May 2014 (UTC)Usrrname

Musicians without articles

Please note that this article should not include entries for musicians without Wikipedia articles per WP:LISTPEOPLE and WP:WTAF. Just because a band is notable does not make the musicians who are members of that band notable. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:24, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Please note that this article should include entries for musicians with direct mentions on band pages. A band is not a THING or ENTITY but a group of people (and shockingly those musicians are sometimes women). (talk) 20:01, 28 July 2014 (PST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chloe.stamper (talk • contribs)

The band members must be notable. Your argument is not based on policy. IronGargoyle (talk) 04:09, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Just because a musician's Wikipedia article hasn't been written yet doesn't mean they can't be included in this list. WTAF is an essay (not a policy) and WP:LISTPEOPLE specifically makes exceptions for people who are made famous for a specific event. There is no Wikipedia policy that says we can't define that specific event as "being a member of a notable musical group" for the purposes of this particular list. gobonobo ^{+ c} 12:35, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

It makes the exception, but still says that they must be referenced. Significant coverage in multiple, independent sources is the primary evidence of notability. Simple group membership is not. I'm a member of a number of notable organizations. That doesn't make me notable myself. IronGargoyle (talk) 12:39, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it will be difficult to find reliable sources verifying that these women are members of the groups that they belong to. @Chloe.stamper: We can do that most effectively by focusing on musicians whose careers are most likely to warrant individual articles, though the fact they don't have articles doesn't mean we can't list them here. gobonobo ^{+ c} 13:03, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

That sounds fine, but the references must establish more than just membership. IronGargoyle (talk) 13:19, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

User IronGargoyle has removed Sarah Barthel (Phantogram), Ann Shenton (Add N to (X)), and suGar Yoshinaga (Buffalo Daughter). This removal is unjustifed. Sarah Barthel is one of TWO members of the group Phantogram and substantiating her involvement is ludicrous as she is already referenced as a NOTABLE member of the group on the Phantogram page. Ann Shenton has been interviewed numerous times re: her involvement in Add N to (X)... I can add references to their page but justifying her notability seems redundant as she is mentioned in most discussions of their work. The same is true of suGar Yoshinaga.

I have to wonder what your motivation in removing these artists from this list are? You cite artist notability but it seems decidedly more personal. It rather unreasonable to expect that every single musical artist will have an individual page in addition to being cited and referenced as a notable member of a group on a group/band page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chloe.stamper (talk • contribs) 22:56, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

My motivation is to simply remove non-notable entries from the list. Your vague insinuations are unhelpful and without any sort of evidence. There needs to be clear selection criteria like WP:LISTPEOPLE to make sure that Wikipedia does not become an indiscriminate collection of information. IronGargoyle (talk) 03:39, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

@IronGargoyle: I'm also against these ongoing removals. I understand that you're trying to enforce WP:LISTPEOPLE, but it is a guideline and I think we've already come to a consensus here that being a member of a notable group is sufficient to be included in this particular list. If anything, we should be making the criteria for inclusion looser, as this list is rather sparse. Regardless, the entries that you kept on removing are sourced now. If you want to change the criteria for inclusion on this article, you can propose it here and we can come to a consensus on how to proceed. gobonobo ^{+ c} 04:48, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

@IronGargoyle, Gobonobo, and Chloe.stamper: Being a member of a notable group can help a person be determined to be notable (see WP:MUSBIO), but does not in itself make someone notable. Wikipedia guidelines aren't "just" guidelines, but rather have strong, broad consensus in support of them. There has to be a compelling reason to invoke WP:IAR beyond "I want to include more people." Notability should be demonstrated via a stand-alone article or at least multiple sources.

The only way I can see keeping all of the names here is if we change the scope of the list. Something like "This is a list of female electronic musicians, composers, and sound artists as well and the musical groups of which they are members." My wording keep use improvement, of course, but that makes the list about the musicians as well as bands. I don't think that would require renaming the list. Thoughts? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:17, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I'd support rewording the lede to reflect the level of notability we're requiring for entries here. And we can narrow the criteria if the list ever grows too long. gobonobo ^{+ c} 04:17, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Regarding You cite artist notability but it seems decidedly more personal above, a quick look at IronGargoyle's contribution history shows he/she is active at an awful lot of list articles about various topics and is not making any request here that would not be made elsewhere, as far as I can tell. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:21, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Re: Changing the lede: I believe that was done some time ago, but it seems to have been reverted at some point? Chloe.stamper (talk) 03:00, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

D'Cuckoo? Tina Blaine? Candice Pacheco?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D'Cuckoo

Pacheco is credited as 'associate producer and sound designer' on a Mickey Hart album (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supralingua), and there's more info on D'Cuckoo's beginnings creating their own electronic instruments at this less than totally objective website: http://www.telecircus.com/yeold/Side/Dcuckoo/

They went on to design and build more controllers, including interactive performance devices like the 'MIDIball'

According to the album credits, Blaine and Pacheco did most of the programming, sound design, and other traditional EM tasks, although being in a nominal pop band they had access to typical pop music support workers, which most academic electronic musicians didn't.

Tina Blaine designed the 'jamodrum', among other things. www.jamodrum.net/

50.149.90.60 (talk) 13:54, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

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specious, tending towards fan-crufty

half of the ladies on this list are keyboardists at best, who happen to have been near a synthesizer- maybe even played one live or on a record. annie lennox? candida doyle? the page either needs re-defining or editing to admit only those women (since it seems to be a given that wp needs a women-who-do-electronic-music list) who are/were actually involved in sound design using electronics &/or electro-acoustic means. sister bliss has advertised for big keyboard companies, & may have lent her name to synth patches; that may be a good place to draw a line here. linda mccartney?

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