Talk:List of animated series with LGBT characters/Archive 4

IP Contributions

I don't really know what to say, other than I am having to watch this article like a hawk because an IP editor keeps adding ridiculous shit. The last addition was literally porn. This editor never communicates, hopes between many IPs, and doesn't seem to want to collaborate. I'm wondering if I should request some sort of pending edit protection for IP edits. This is getting ridiculous. Thoughts? --Tarage (talk) 22:34, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

I requested page protection. ([1]) --Daniel Carrero (talk) 01:34, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. --Tarage (talk) 20:48, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 20:58, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

@Tarage - I believe that I may be the cause of all the commotion for the past two months. With knowledge of a lot of LGBT characters in anime/shows, I'd made previous edits and adding of shows that didn't seem to appear that had central LGBT characters back in 2017 (e.g. Yuri animes like Whispered Words, Kanamemo, Yuri Sejin Naoko-san, Valkyrie Drive, Kase-san, Parade Parade, Gokujyo, Kuttsukiboshi, NTR, Konohana Kitan and recently, Citrus, and then shows like American Dad). But for the section, Animated Shorts, throughout this month I've been looking for other shorts that contain central LGBT characters. I was the one that initially saw Kase-san and added to it back in 2017 (which was accepted), but one other one I tried to pass through titled, "Angels Drop" made in 2013 was constantly deleted. I understand that the short does have some "over the top" scenes but the short was aired on Japanese TV at one point and so I just thought that it could still count anyways. Furthermore, in that same "Animated shorts" section, there was a long-term anime short that was placed in that section long before I started privately collaborating in these edits. It's titled, "A Kiss for the Petals: Becoming Your Lover" from 2010. That short was also deleted alongside my edit, "Angels Drop" for whatever reason. I understand for the Angels Drop short due to its somewhat inappropriate nature, it could not be accepted, but I don't understand for the "A Kiss for the Petals" one to be deleted. Otherwise, I apologize. Next time, I shall be more careful on what type of anime I place. -- Michael D. (talk) 00:37, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Okay a few things. First, it's fine now that you've seen that the talk page exists and are willing to collaborate. I'm not trying to discredit your additions, I was just getting frustrated with your lack of communication. Second, I'm looking at the article for "A Kiss for the Petals" and I would not be against it's inclusion so long as it's not pornographic in nature. It seems that the game is, and I have not seen it, so I want to be sure. The reason it got reverted was probably because it was included in a bulk edit with something that didn't belong. Thirdly... you can sign with your IP. I would have concerns if you claimed to be Michael, because that user is blocked. Otherwise feel free to suggest things and once the protection is lifted add things. Just realize that if it does get reverted, the next step is to come here and talk it out, not just re-add it. Thanks. --Tarage (talk) 10:01, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

A Kiss for the Petals is a large article because the franchise is full of stuff, but really there's only one anime OVA in the list. I watched it, it's porn. An accurate description of the OVA is: two girls fuck for about 20 minutes, the end. It would also be accurate to mention that one of them is feeling sick and the other is "taking care" of her. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 12:44, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Then yeah, no inclusion. --Tarage (talk) 19:41, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Oh lol, I even watched it a few times like 2 years ago. Yeah you're right. -- Michael D. (talk) 19:26, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Also, when the semi-protection is lifted, would it be alright to re-add Valkyrie Drive: Mermaid? It is a TV anime from 2015 that features a bunch of female characters trapped on an island while they each have an hidden virus that causes them to turn to weapons after being aroused (yuri anime). It features various lesbian characters and I did originally add it there but for some reason it got taken down. -- Michael D. (talk) 19:34, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, that would be fine. --Tarage (talk) 19:26, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Wait...it's 24 February 2018. Can't we edit yet?? (by the way it's still me) --M.Daniel (talk) 22:13, 24 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.108.135 (talk)

I would appreciate if you wouldn't do mass edits. If you're going to make an addition or move something, do it one at a time. It makes it easier for me to review. --Tarage (talk) 19:14, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Sure! Sorry about that. Everything just looked in a mess with the order of when the animated work was made, and I was also adding extra information some others missed out so I spent somewhat of an hour and a half making changes everywhere. --M.Daniel (talk) 01:21, 27 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.186.113 (talk)

Saber Marionette J

User:Daniel Carrero Let's talk about this one. I understand the idea of adding it, but I'm not sure how appropriate it is, at least in it's current form. I've seen the anime. The plot revolves around the fact that this is a planet where everyone was 'born' from six surviving human males through genetic manipulation. As such, their society has no concept of women and is practically a 1 gender society. The closest thing to women that they have are the Marionettes, which for the most part are emotionless robots. A character being attracted to another therefor is mundane. I could see an argument made that the anime could be mentioned with no character being called out, but otherwise a specific mention doesn't make much sense to me. In fact, Hanagata is mostly used for comic relief, akin to someone hitting on someone who doesn't reciprocate those feelings. He's essentially a gag character.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's a very weak LGBT inclusion since it doesn't really serve any purpose in the plot other than to make the main character find the Marionettes 'exotic'. You could very easily replace gender with skin color and arrive at the same place. It isn't so much an LGBT inclusion than a plot device. If I were looking at this list and trying to find inclusions of LGBT topics in anime, I wouldn't consider this anime having anything to say about the issue. It's the same reason why I keep removing hentai inclusions as well. It's less about "This anime has LGBT in it" and more "This just happens to have that element in it but that element isn't explored at all and is just used as a means to an end." I'm willing to talk about it though. --Tarage (talk) 22:03, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

I didn't watch the anime. For now, I'm just going to trust you on this. Let's say that for all intents and purposes you are the expert, and I don't feel qualified to discuss this. I removed the anime from the list. I intend to watch it sooner or later, so I'll let you know if I change my mind and want to discuss a bit about its inclusion. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 23:50, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

By all means. For what it's worth, I don't feel that just having seen an anime makes someone an expert on it, so please don't think I am trying to be draconian about this. I merely was trying to start a conversation. I have no objections to starting it back up whenever you'd like. And I do recommend the anime. It's aged a but but it's pretty good. Just don't forget to watch J Again and J to X to get the whole story. --Tarage (talk) 00:12, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Alright, I don't think you are trying to be draconian about this. I understand you were trying to start a conversation. :) Thank you for the recommendation. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 00:16, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Identifying Yaoi and yuri's

I believe that there should be a * for identifying a Yaoi or yuri (Unsigned comment by Shadow6461)

Um... you wanna try that again buddy? What do you mean? --Tarage (talk) 23:58, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

If the idea is finding out what is just yaoi or just yuri (as opposed to using the whole LGBT list), I'd suggest visiting this:

• Category:Yaoi anime and manga
• Category:Yuri (genre) anime and manga

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 00:02, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

My reason for this is particularly for yaoi/yuri with a high amount of lgbt characters,or it's too say that's it expected. Not to be rude thought. "Shadow6461 (talk) 23:36, 26 January 2018 (UTC)"

I get that you're asking for yaoi and yuri titles to be singled out, but I have no idea what you mean by particularly for yaoi/yuri with a high amount of lgbt characters,or it's too say that's it expected. Regardless, there doesn't seem to be any point in singling out yaoi and yuri titles on this list. Japan is hardly the only country to produce LGBT-specific animated works, and country of origin is already listed. Marianna251TALK 00:12, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

What I ment by that was Yaois/yuri's with high character counts I general,as not every Yaoi or yuri has a lot of characters. But then again,on your other thought,if you haven't noticed ALOT of lgbt characters are from anime or manga. And also about the lgbt related work,I would do it for all that can be classified similarly,but aren't "Shadow6461 (talk) 00:41, 27 January 2018 (UTC)"

I really think we shouldn't single out yaoi/yuri works with a lot of LGBT characters. I believe this would not be a notable thing to mention here. Some works like Sakura Trick and Sweet Blue Flowers have few LGBT couples but they are important to the story nonetheless, not less notable than a work with many LGBT couples. Plus this list does not contain gag characters, minor characters and hentai characters so it would be misleading to advertise a list of animes with most characters. Maybe some project other than Wikipedia could do it. I would suggest using categories as above to find yaoi and yuri animes. In this list, you can click the "Country" column to make all Japan works appear together. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:19, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Forget I said anything "Shadow6461 (talk) 03:50, 27 January 2018 (UTC)"

No problem. Feel free to discuss new ideas in the future. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 11:53, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

For the past two days, I've been inserting certain animes that have mainly Lesbian characters but they keep getting removed:

Doki Doki School Hours, Akikan, Akechi Mitsuhide, Battle Girls: Time Paradox, Ben-To, Best Student Council, Chu-Bra!!, Cyber Team in Akihabara, Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya, Fight! Iczer One, Flip Flappers, Gakuen Alice, Girls Bravo, Godannar, Gunsmith Cats, and Hitohira.

I would like to inform you that each of these animes further appeared in the "Yuri as a second element" list and that I did do research on most of the ones that had Yuri (Lesbian) characters in them. Could I please have an explanation as to why they keep getting removed? Thanks. GlitchyM. (talk) 22:11, 03 April 2018 (UTC)

Because you need reliable sources or citations to specific episodes where the character is unambiguously, explicitly stated to be gay, bisexual, lesbian, Etc. All of your edits so far have appeared to be original research. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:39, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Ok that's understandable. I'm in the midst of doing so now. Don't change anything just yet. GlitchyM. (talk) 23:35, 03 April 2018

Potential timelessness of the list.

Good evening. I understand that the representation of LGBTQ + characters is important, but is not this list pointless? Firstly, considering the prevalence of yuri in moe series, it is potentially endless, and secondly, as I noted, a significant number of examples here are either erroneous or unconfirmed interpretation of the audience. For example, in the list often without any sources are called characters as genderqeers only on the grounds that they passed through the gender bender during the story. Solaire the knight (talk) 21:14, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Sadly that would be Glitchy's doing. A lot of them I let through because honestly, if I haven't read or watched the series I can't comment, but if the language is ambiguous, like "They might be gay" or the character is clearly a one-off used for the "lol look at the gay" joke, I remove it. Sadly they have been quite repetitive in re-adding things I revert, so I can only do so much. --Tarage (talk) 00:38, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, to be honest, some examples surprised me. For example, a girl from Wondering Son is called a lesbian just because she is in love with MC, who identifies herself as a girl (and MC rejects her not least because of her transfobic view). Or two girls from HighShool Girls, who are called lesbians on the basis of the scene, where they were tired of watching TV on night and fell asleep hugging each other. Solaire the knight (talk) 01:17, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Comic Girls

So I've read the first chapter three times now, and I honestly don't see any place where love is mentioned outside of one girl saying her editor claims she's "never been in love". Can you point me to the page you are talking about? Maybe take a picture or screenshot so I can see it? I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just trying to keep this list pruned down to characters who are ACTUALLY LGBT. Questionable things like "Best friends but maybe more", a common anime trope, aren't right to include because there is no definite answer. For example, Nanoha and Fate from the Nanoha series fall into this category in my opinion. And no, voice actors commenting on it don't count as confirmation. Cannon LGBT only. --Tarage (talk) 00:38, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

You do not have enough anime adaptation, which literally adapts the manga and has 80% it's time about of the crush of one girl and the gay-hints of another? No, not an ambiguous crush like in Strike Withes or Izetta, namely openly discussed by the characters lesbian attraction. Not to mention that half the list is much less obvious or even just ambiguous examples. Solaire the knight (talk) 01:05, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

UPD. But, I have no desire to argue, so-if you do not consider the anime sufficient, then you can remove the comic girl from the list. Solaire the knight (talk) 01:19, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of adding characters based on "gay-hints". If someone is on this list, they are LGBT. Yes, I know a lot of anime likes to toe the line, but unless it is specifically called out in a citeable way, I don't think it should be included. When someone comes to this list, they are looking for examples, both positive and negative, or LGBT character in animation. It would be a disservice to list characters who aren't. --Tarage (talk) 18:21, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, this is not Strike Witches or Love Live, here the heroine openly says that she likes another girl and she wants to confess to her. Solaire the knight (talk) 08:51, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Is that just in the anime or is it in the manga too? If it's in the manga do you mind pointing me to the chapter? --Tarage (talk) 18:24, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with manga as well as with anime, but I think it's obvious that they share the same orientation of the character. Solaire the knight (talk) 10:12, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Can you point me to either where it is explicitly said? --Tarage (talk) 18:21, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

If you just omit gay moments like MC dreaming of being "scolded by such a beautiful female teacher", then in the fifth episode there is a moment where Hoyume and Ruki discuss her crush on Tsubasa (Straightly emphasizing that her love interest is another girl), after which the last and Koyume go to "date", during which Koyume is worried because of the romantic atmosphere and can not make a confession. Solaire the knight (talk) 23:28, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Okay give me a few days to check into this. I just want to verify it with my own eyes if you don't mind. --Tarage (talk) 17:57, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Yuru Yuri

Can I remove this title from the examples? Yes, it's officially shoujo ai and 70-75% of the girls in this manga are open lesbians in one way or another, but I do not remember that someone from main cast except Chinatsu was confirmed as gay. Even MC says that she does not understand why "some girls want to kiss other girls". Not to mention that even Erika with Okazu quite clearly criticized this show as yuri-bait, not really a real yuri work. Of course, I can not be an authoritative source, but in my opinion it is rather a friendly parody of standard pairings in the genre than a full-fledged yuri. Solaire the knight (talk) 08:58, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm comfortable with leaving Chinatsu and the older sister listed, but the others can go, yeah. --Tarage (talk) 18:25, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, then I'll leave only girls with confirmed crush to other girls. Solaire the knight (talk) 10:13, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Like this. You do not mind this version? Solaire the knight (talk) 10:44, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Seems fine. --Tarage (talk) 18:21, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Louie (French TV series)

I would like to know whether it's ok to add the character, Louie as a Genderqueer character. I did grow up with the show when I was much younger but I did find out that in her French original release, she is portrayed as a male character (with the name, Didou) and even uses male pronouns. However in the UK release of the show (the one I watched), she is a female character, uses female pronouns and is even English-dubbed by a woman. --GlitchyM. (talk) 21:25, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh and here's the source: https://www.zouzous.fr/heros/didou --GlitchyM. (talk) 21:31, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't think this counts. I don't think the intention here was to create a gender fluid character. This is akin to a gender switch ala Battlestar Galactica. --Tarage (talk) 17:59, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Touche. GlitchyM. (talk) 13:51, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

User contribution GlitchyM

Good evening. I'm not so familiar with the rules of the English wiki and I do not want to provoke a conflict between users, but I do not know what to do with this contribution. For the most part, it's true, but I'm very confused by some of the examples that look more like a joke than a real edit. For example, he calls "theatricality and brightness of clothing" proof of the homosexuality of the character or calls the character Genderqueer only because he uses the female life-style to achieve popularity in the stereotypically female field. Can there be any way to explain to the user that the LGBT is more complicated than just dressing in the clothes of the opposite gender or good chemistry between the two girls? Solaire the knight (talk) 20:48, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

...Yeah... we've been trying to reign him in for a while now. Feel free to remove anything that fits what you said above. I try to police it but sometimes I miss it. --Tarage (talk) 18:18, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Yeah you can take out some things that you don't approve. Some edits were done when I didn't understand the rules and was just chatting crap. My bad...-_-Furthermore, I'll be adding cites on the ones that I'm actually sure that the character is LGBT soon. Just got to get exams out the way first. -- GlitchyM. (talk) 13:48, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, I do not blame you for anything, just some of the examples you added are rather strange. For example, where you write that a girl is a lesbian just on the grounds that she is in love with MC, who identifies herself as a trance woman. And that's not to mention the fact that MC does not return her feelings in the first place because of her transphobia, after which she becomes a couple with the "another" boy. So, there's no need to even understand any gender sciences to understand that the character remains a heterosexual without any possible interpretations. Solaire the knight (talk) 16:44, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

You added a character who "seems" LGBT. No bueno. --Tarage (talk) 17:59, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Problem

Umm...I think someone has messed up the LGBT Addition page..? I just logged in (after a while) to find it like this. I don't know if anyone can bring it back to the way it was because for me, I don't even know where to start. -- GlitchyM. (talk) 13:46, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

The what? --Tarage (talk) 20:13, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Never mind, it was fixed. :P -- GlitchyM. (talk) 13:46, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Decades

This article is currently 234,575 bytes. I've been thinking, at some point we'll probably want to split it into separate pages when we get too many animated series with LGBT characters. Maybe split by decade, like List of animated series with LGBT characters (1990s) (working title). Even though apparently sometimes lists can get pretty big without being split. (List of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States is 641,317 bytes) To be clear, I'm not personally bothered by the article size at the moment, but I'd like to know if the article is already too large in the opinion of other people. It will certainly keep growing at this rate.

Aside from that, what would be your opinion about creating decade subsections to the current article? There's this revision done today by PanagiotisZois: [2], check the subsections under the "Animated works". I reverted it and then created this discussion. Personally, I would like to argue against creating decade subsections for the current article, because I sometimes use the autosort feature to order columns alphabetically by work, character name, country or classification.

In my opinion, it helps to use autosort for the purpose of seeing things like: all the animated series with LGBT characters of the same country listed together, all the lesbian characters from animated series listed together and so on. Though admittedly this system is not perfect, as you can see in cells with multiple values -- if the "country" cell reads "Japan [line break] United States", then even using autosort the work won't appear together with other USA works at the "U" in the alphabetical order.

At least that's what I think as long as all animated works are in the same article. It can't be helped if they get split into separate articles at some point. Obviously, if we create decade-specific articles like List of animated series with LGBT characters (1990s), we can still use autosort but it will be restricted by whatever we have in the article. (as opposed to using autosort to view a list of all lesbian characters in animated series of all time, which as stated is basically doable with the current article)

At some point we may want to consider if we want to duplicate some of that information in specialized articles, like List of Japanese anime with LGBT characters, List of American animated works with LGBT characters and List of animated works with lesbian characters. Most combinations would not have articles anyway because we have few works currently listed: we wouldn't create List of French animated works with LGBT characters (currently 3 works) and List of animated works with pansexual characters (currently 11 works). --Daniel Carrero (talk) 18:15, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

I'd rather condense the list and only have people who are actually LGBT rather than one-offs and joke characters. But sadly I don't have time to fact check each and every one of these. --Tarage (talk) 20:57, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

I suggest we temporarily break off the TV shows by decade to make them easier to edit. I believe we should add references to each character / show. That's going to take lots of research and edits. Which is why I think breaking it off into four decades would be a good idea. At least for now. It'd make it easier to navigate, and edit. --PanagiotisZois (talk) 21:27, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

About references: I suppose some of these works can be considered to be sourced because they mention the specific part in the story where the LGBT status is disclosed, right? For example, the part about Storks (2016 film) reads: "Near the end of the film, the storks deliver babies to straight, lesbian and gay couples, and single parents." So I'd consider that one cited by my standards. We can watch the film (or just that scene) to confirm the information. Unless we want secondary sources for all works for some reason. (To be clear, I wrote this piece of text about Storks, and I'm OK with improving it if needed.) --Daniel Carrero (talk) 20:58, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Well... I mean, third-party sources would be preferred, but if none are available, simply citing the primary source itself would suffice; I guess. PanagiotisZois (talk) 22:57, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

As long as it's very clear that the character is both intended to be LGBT and identifies as LGBT. I don't want stuff like a throwaway like about Bob from Bob's Burgers getting in. --Tarage (talk) 18:21, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Daniel Carrero: So.. How about we just split them off by decade until we fact-check them all and include references, and then combine them again. PanagiotisZois (talk) 19:41, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Tarage: Just to repeat if needed -- I support your ideas: "condense the list and only have people who are actually LGBT rather than one-offs and joke characters." / "I don't want stuff like a throwaway like about Bob from Bob's Burgers getting in." I agree, the list shouldn't have throwaway characters. (even though at some point I had added some throwaway characters and we talked about them; they have since been removed)

@PanagiotisZois: If you insist, here are the decade subsections again; I readded them. I guess they do make our work easier because we are now able to have less stuff in the edit window. But either way I will probably keep using Ctrl+F to go to the right place, with or without decade subsections.

To be clear, I still think that (at least in my opinion) the best option would be leaving the table without decade subsections for the reasons stated (mainly using autosort to freely change how the characters are listed). Maybe at some point in the future, I would like to revisit this decision and either 1) remove the decade subsections altogether once again or 2) create separate articles for decades if we get too many works with LGBT characters. But for now it's alright, I don't mind keeping those subsections as you wanted. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 08:07, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Bloom into You

So far in the anime, the character Touko Nanami has displayed to be in love with the main protagonist, Yuu Koito to the point of kissing her in Episode 2. Since Yuu is yet to return her feelings later on, should we just for now place Touko as lesbian until things change? GlitchyM. (talk) 21:28, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Probably. Refresh my memory, is this also a manga or light novel? Do we know anything about the orientations of the characters there? --Tarage (talk) 18:14, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes it is. I did initially see the manga some months earlier before the anime was released. It did say that Touko got confessions from both boys and girls during her time at the school, but did not feel anything from any of them. Yuu is the first person that Touko falls in love with leading her to confess her feelings to Yuu. Yuu on the other hand has only had one confession from a boy to which she didn't feel anything. Her response to Touko's confession is still pending in both the manga and anime. Since Touko's first romantic attraction is for a girl, I would probably put her for "Lesbian or Asexual". :P GlitchyM. (talk) 19:38, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

I'd wait to add before we have a response. Not feeling something for people who confess to you is not a sign of sexuality if there is no positive evidence. Basically if someone randomly approaches you and says they love you, if you dismissed them it would not be a comment on your sexuality, only on the fact that you don't like being told this by random strangers. Remember: Japan is super big on the 'highschool confession' stuff. --Tarage (talk) 18:20, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Trueeee, alright let's wait till the end at least. GlitchyM. (talk) 14:11, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Uchi no Maid ga Uzasugiru!

Another character to consider...

In both the manga and the anime, the character, Tsubame Kamoi is to have displayed romantic attraction to little girls, hence why she decided to take a maid job in the household of the protagonist Misha. In Episode 1, Tsubame reveals to Misha that during her time in school, she was attracted to a senior girl to which she was turned down because of her going through menstruation. She then vows to Misha that from that day on, she would never turn down or stop loving any girl because of menstruation. One part near the end of the episode shows her ignoring some boys pass by, but when some girls appear, she lightens up. Recently in Episode 3, she's been emphasizing her dream goal to get married to Misha, once able to get Misha to accept her. Do you think we should put Tsubame as Lesbian?? GlitchyM. (talk) 19:58, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Sure, sounds fine. --Tarage (talk) 18:21, 24 October 2018 (UTC)