Talk:List of Miss Universe titleholders

National Titles

It was a good idea to give the national title for each Miss Universe, but I suggest to remove it because it is not accurate at all.

Indeed, old titles in the 50's or 60's were not always the same as those awarded today. I am not sure that Miss Greece in the 60's was already Star Hellas, I don't think the word "Universe" was included in Miss Japan's title, I know Miss España used to be "Señorita España"...

Furthermore, Colombia's own Luz Marina Zuluaga (Miss Universe 1958) never won the "Señorita Colombia" title, many use to say that she was the first runner-up, but in several occasions, Ms. Zuluaga has said herself that it is a mistake since at that time such placements were not announced.

France's own Christiane Martel was not awarded neither the same Miss France title we know these days.

For that reason I suggest that we should create a new section featuring the current national titles of the delagates competing at the Miss Universe pageant. And erase therefore the national title from the winners' list since there are too many mistakes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KMOf (talk • contribs) 07:48, 29 August 2006

Miss Universe 2018 us Gil Russel Balason (talk) 10:05, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

pictures

do we honestly need so many pictures? i mean its nice, dont get me wrong, but the text is way too far down from the pictures. I suggest keeping the most recent (ofcourse) and miss puerto rico from 2 yrs ago ;) Lihaas (talk) 22:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Table rework

I've removed the columns for pageant location & venue because I do not see how they're related to a list of the women who have held the Miss Universe title. The list more properly belongs, and is already on, List of Miss Universe editions (I hate the use of the word "editions" here but I haven't yet come up with a better alternative). I've changed the list of birthdates to ages at the time of each win, because again it's more relevant and easier for people to compare. Also added height, because that again is something relevant and of interest. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 13:11, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Oxana Fedorova

Hi, I don't know if it is really appropriate that we keep adding and deleting Oxana from the list. I believe the credibility of the list is jeopardize if we keep doing this actions. Are we really representing official facts or our feelings toward this former winner?

Please let us make a stand. greenmarktea78 19:30, 20 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marktanoja78 (talk • contribs)

Stop changing Armi Kuusela's age when she won

She won at age 17. She was born August 30, 1934 and won the MU title on June 28, 1952. Hence she won the title at the age of 17 years, 9 months and 29 days. GrayFullbuster (talk) 02:21, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Zuleyka Rivera age

Zuleyka Rivera was born on October 3, 1987 and the Miss Universe 2006 pageant was held on July 23, 2006 therefore Zuleyka was 18 years old when she was crowned Miss Universe 2006 not 19. During the parade of nations when she introduced herself she said "Zuleyka Rivera, 18, Puerto Rico" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.46.101.146 (talk) 16:26, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Amelia Vega age

Also Amelia Vega was born on November 7, 1984 and was crowned Miss Universe 2003 on June 3, 2003, so she as well was 18 years old when crowned not 19. Amelia introduced herself during the Parade of Nations saying "Amelia Vega, 18, Miss Dominican Republic" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.46.101.146 (talk) 16:30, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Pageant dates/entrants

I would propose that these are of little relevance to the topic of this specific article, are replicated at List of Miss Universe editions and should be removed. Entrants more so than pageant date but I really can't see a need for either. Any objections? --- PageantUpdater (talk) 02:46, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Date is irrelevant I agree but I'd keep entrants. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 02:47, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

But what relevance is the number of entrants to a list of Miss Universe titleholders? Relevant to the list of pageants yes but neither here nor there for this and doesn't appear in lists of titleholders for other pageants. --- PageantUpdater (talk) 03:30, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't think there's gonna be some official rule that'll help keep the entrants section in the article, but I just find it interesting and valuable to be able to see how the pageant has grown from a small pageant with ~30 contestants in the 1950s, to something gigantic currently. It's much easier seeing it here than having to go through every single pageant article. That's just my opinion but I don't feel that strongly either way. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 14:32, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Oh I don't disagree, I'm just saying this isn't the right article for it, the info is already there at List of Miss Universe editions which seems a much more appropriate spot for it. Well given there hasn't been any more input I'll make the edits now. --- PageantUpdater (talk) 11:31, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Wow I didn't even know that article existed. But okay sounds good. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 13:42, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Miss Universe Title Holders

Catriona Gray is from the philippines and the 2015 Miss Universe is Pia Wurtzbach from the Philippines not Colombia. Please make wikipedia LEGIT. AivanP (talk) 17:20, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

2018 FROM PHILIPPINES 2015 FROM PHILIPPINES

please change it .. Radzmariano12 (talk) 19:54, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Please Change it Catriona gray from Philippines not Australia, Miss Universe 2018 Gil Russel Balason (talk) 10:11, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

PIA WURTZBACK MISS UNIVERSE 2015 NOT COLUMBIA Gidgetta (talk) 07:15, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

CATRIONA GRAY IS FROM PHILIPPINES NOT AUSTRALIA Gidgetta (talk) 07:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

EDITOR IS BITTER Gidgetta (talk) 07:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

In the table Miss Universe 2019 has a different name. klaul — Preceding undated comment added 10:45, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Please change Miss Universe 2015 to Miss Pia Alonzo Wurtzbach, she is the real Winner from the Philippines also Miss Universe 2018 Catriona Gray is from Philippines not from Australia. SabrinaSalvador178 (talk) 05:18, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism

Pia Wurtzbach from the Philippines won Miss Universe 2015 and Miss Universe Catriona Gray is from the Philippines not Josephcipriano (talk) 17:31, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2021

PLEASE CHANGE THE COUNTRY OF THE WINNER UNDER 2018 . She's from the philippines!! A FILIPINA . Please change his country and flag to philippines... Radzmariano12 (talk) 19:53, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done via revert of most recent edit. Living Concrete (talk) 20:38, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2021 (2)

49.145.162.109 (talk) 20:32, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Miss universe 2015 is not ariafna gutierrez from colombia its Pia wurtzbach from Philippines. Miss universe 2018 is catriona gray from Philippines not australia.

 Done via revert of most recent edit. Living Concrete (talk) 20:38, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2021 (3)

Gil Russel Balason (talk) 10:39, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

2018 |Philippines |Catriona Gray |Binibining Pilipinas Universe 2018 | 24 |Albay | December 17, 2018 |94

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 10:39, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, looks like you were noting the issue with the repeat of the 2018 winner as the 2019 winner. Has been corrected Cannolis (talk) 10:49, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done, corrected frequent vandalism, of changing Gray's country to Australia. Gray is also of Australian nationality but competed under the Philippines.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 10:54, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Reply was removed at 21:42, November 12, 2021‎; reverting my own message Hariboneagle927 (talk) 02:35, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

oh thank you I think Indonesians fans are changed Gil Russel Balason (talk) 14:36, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2021

Change Catriona Gray's Country/Territory to the Philippines 2015 Adriana Guiterrez of Colombia was 1st Runner Up, Pia Wurtzback of the Philippines was crowned Miss Universe 2015. 73.241.83.36 (talk) 06:38, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:09, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi protected edit request on December 13 2022

I want to edit the titleholders Elvnlm (talk) 07:08, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

2015 and 2018 Winners

The 2015 winner was Pia Wurtzbach, not Ariadna Gutierrez, and in 2018, Catriona Gray from the Philippines, not Australia, won. 2600:100F:B04A:AA2A:DC26:502E:A14B:D3FB (talk) 08:49, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

2015 winner was Pia Wurtzbach from the Philippines and 2018 Catriona Gray from the Philippines as well. Dean181991 (talk) 10:37, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Miss Philippines

Philippines won in 2015 and 2018. 136.49.92.183 (talk) 06:31, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Miss Universe Pia Alonzo Wurtzbach and Miss Universe Catriona Gray

Pia Alonzo Wurtzbach won Miss Universe 2015, not Ariadna Gutierrez.

Catriona Gray is the representative of the Philippines in Miss Universe 2018, not of Australia. 112.210.57.65 (talk) 08:23, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Credibility of Wikipedia

Please make sure the information you enter here on Wikipedia is true and accurate! Wikipedia becomes untrustworthy because of editors with this attitude. 112.210.57.65 (talk) 08:30, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2022

• Set Pia as Miss Universe 2015 from Philippines not Ariadna from Colombia
• Set Miss Universe 2018 Catriona to Philippines not Australia Chrisx304 (talk) 11:17, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:02, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

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2015 Chrisx304 (talk) 11:23, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:02, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2022

2015 AlphaOrion21 (talk) 01:05, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:12, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

2015 and 2018

The recent editor somewhat removed the Philippines as winners of Miss Universe 2015 and 2018. While Catriona remains at the list, she is listed as an Australian. Pia Wurtzbach was replaced by Adriana Gutierrez. I believe the editor "Torinogwen" doesn't like the Philippines. 152.32.107.76 (talk) 01:41, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2022 (2)

In the third table, the year that mentions the tile held by Angola, 2011, is on a fourth, unneeded column, when it should appear in below the row that mentions Brazil's titles of 1963 and 1968. 97.103.236.49 (talk) 22:44, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:18, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2022

SabrinaSalvador178 (talk) 05:27, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Miss Universe 2015 Philippines Pia Alonzo Wurtzbach

Miss Universe 2018 Philippines Catriona Gray

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 08:44, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

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Relevant satistical information

Hi @Jjj1238 I've seen that you have some quite of problems about the relevance of the information presented in the winning section of the article.

I explain to you. The first discused table is in reference by the number of wins classified by continents geographically and politically. The table shows how has been distribued in record history the number of victories by these significant regions. In fact the Miss Universe Organization itself in three years in a row (2017-2019) used this type of division on the contestans. By the way, this section is also reflected in the Lists of the Miss World, Miss International and Miss Earth titleholders.

The second section tries to clarified the assumed & dethroned/resigned wins question. Is a very important statistical nformation to show. I don't find it irrelevant. This is also presented in the article Big Four international beauty pageants without any problems.

This kind of data is constantly used by all the audience.

P.S. I just added a final table in reference a the timeline debut by country/territory.

This should be the last extra information added to these type of lists. I'm aware that continuing to add many more sections would make the article heavy, but currently, as it is presented, it seeems adequate to me.

Thanks. Mauriziok (talk) 02:59, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Mauriziok: Your references to other articles fall under WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. It doesn't matter what the articles about Miss World, International, or Earth say, because they could equally be wrong and we are just discussing this one here. I fail to understand how separate tables about resigned and assumed winners is relevant when 1) it has only happened once, and 2) this information is already mentioned earlier in the article in the main table. There is no need to make two additional tables for an event that has happened just once, let alone to create two new entire sections for this event that happened once too, when it is already sufficiently mentioned in the article's main tables/sections. The table about wins by continent is also wholly irrelevant. The MUO has never used these continental groupings as a form of competition: for the three years that continental groupings were used for placements, the groupings were not the same as they were in the table, but simply Americas, Europe, and Africa/Asia-Pacific, and using a category such as "Africa/Asia-Pacific" to denote wins by continent would just be confusing and unnecessary. Other than those three years, continents have no bearing in Miss Universe or its titleholders and if a reader happened to be specifically interested in which continents have won Miss Universe, they can simply count the countries in the main table themselves. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 03:26, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Jjj1238

1) Mauriziok (talk) 04:43, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Jjj1238 Mauriziok (talk) 04:49, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Jjj1238

1) Excuse me, how many times does an event have to occur for it to be considered relevant? The mere fact that it has occurred already makes it relevant in itself (the removal of titles from a country has always caused statistical confusion as to whether it is taken as the holder or not, for this reason it is more than pertinent that it be made sufficiently clear and explicit the status of said situation), and yes, it is true, it is mentioned in the fisrt table, but it is done only in reference to the candidates, what the second table does is simply totalize numerically what is donde descriptively in the first. In adittion, visually it helps to understand with greater practicality, simplicity and clarity any type of statistical confusion beyond the existence od the footnotes.

In fact, I myself was the one who corrected the table with the number of winners that initially included Russia among its winners and that is why I put those tables separately. I don't find it so redundant after all.

2) Regarding the totalization by continents, it is understood that Miss Universe is an international contest, and thtat for several decades the candidates have been shown by region (Asia, Europe, the Mediterranean, South America, etc.) in many of the opnenings has done. Here only a table with 6 continents is shown (and in order not to have to count country by country to find such information, what is the problem of showing it). It is not an elaborate piece of information and it helps to undersatnd how each contest has behaved over time.

Let's see, they are continents, it is not that an extremely complex and intricate administrative political division with subdivisions is being used, they are not ethnic or religious regions, nor language, climatic, economic regions, states, municipalities. They are just continents, nothing more. Mauriziok (talk) 05:06, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Mauriziok: The point is not about how many times an event must occur for it to be relevant, but this specific event has only occurred one time and is already properly addressed in the article. Creating two entire tables (and sections) for this one-off event gives the illusion that it is something that happens often so a table is required to chronicle all of these instances, but that is not true. I also disagree that Russia should be removed from the main table --- Russia won Miss Universe, whether its titleholder finished her reign or not is not relevant to the fact that she was a titleholder. The footnotes are intended to articulate those nuances, not creating entirely new sections and tables to clunk up the article.

I still fail to see how the continental tables are relevant. The contestants ages are also given out by the organization, must we also create a table to categorize each winner by age group? It is simply irrelevant information that only passionate fans would be interested in, and that sort of information should not be included here.

Pinging @Bri: who may be interested in this discussion. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 23:13, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Jjj1238: I don't think this information is adequately addressed in the article, and you confirm waht I stated earlier that it is not about the number of times the event occurred but about its historical and statistical significance, what the unrecognized titles imply and represent. For any user who sees the article and the main list, it could seem that this has never happened and to leave it in such a long table and is a sea of headlines is to allow it to be lost; it is more difficult to identify this type of detail and does not have to give the illusion that it is an event that occurs often. Footnotes simply can help to complement and clarify such eventualities.

It may not be necessary to put it at the same category level with: == ==

It can also be placed with subcategory with: === ===

Or simply with a bold section with: ;

But it is undoubtedly important to clarify these types of exceptions outside the table,.

Regarding the issue of the 2002 titleholder, officialy the Miss Universe Organization does not recognize Oxana Fedorova as Miss Universe 2002, but Justine Pasek from Panama. They do not include Russia in their headlines, therefore, since she is not Miss Universe, she cannot appear on the main list along with Panama and the rest of the titleholders. There is only one Miss Universe per year and not two, and 2002 is no the exception to this rule.

Due to this type of situation and doubts, it seems more than sufficient and obvious to separete said exceptions, and the do not complicate the article at all.

The continental table simply shows the international distribution of titles in the main areas of the world. It is understood that in beauty pageants the delegates represent countries and territories. Here we are talking about the political entities that the candidates represent, not about their personal characteristics. Grouping these titles by continents is not an outburst nor does it deserve to be treated in a trivial way. Mauriziok (talk) 14:04, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• I think the discussion can be simplified by asking this question: is there a guideline that can help determine whether Continents by number of wins should be included? Relevant guidelines to consider include WP:SYNTH and/or WP:OR. Does the table express simple computation, or original thought and analysis not expressed in the sources? If jjj is correct, no sources analyze the winners by continent so I would lean toward the latter, meaning that the table should be removed. Willing to hear any evidence that the analysis is not original research, though. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:31, 2 April 2023 (UTC)