Talk:List of Italy international footballers

Broken table

Table is broken and therefore stats are wrong... try to sort the data by goals or number of caps... there is a missing last column for almost the entire table. I don't know how to fix this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.145.2.177 (talk) 08:05, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

• You are absolutely right, the table is really broken. It looks like many items have had the "position" column skipped, and the others fell out of place. I will fix it as soon as I have some time on my hands. Thanks for noticing! --Zidanie5 (talk) 02:59, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

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Hi! I hope all is well. I was taking a look at List of England international footballers, and I thought the way they do pos., debut matches and last (or most recent) matches is a cool feature I think we could work towards with List of Italy international footballers. This could be our next bigger project lol what do you think? I also aim to create the leftover redlinks for the international footballers in the summer. I see you're working on a Serie D project in your sandbox, so I will probably set this up in my sandbox hopefully in a month or so, and you can feel free to contribute. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 15:36, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@Vaselineeeeeeee: Hi, well, it does look cool, even though I think that such an addition would make the page much heavier to load and edit. In fact, this may be one of the reasons why they decided to split the list by number of caps. Anyway, if you set up the table in a sandbox, I will certainly provide some help. Regards, --Tanonero (msg) 23:13, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@Vaselineeeeeeee: After having looked at the list, I think that it may not be even necessary to duplicate the table in a sandbox. Differently, we could work directly in the page by replacing the structure and the content of the first's and last cap's columns with the specific matches at issue. --Tanonero (msg) 23:18, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it will certainly make the page larger, but if it becomes necessary to split it into number of caps the way they did it at England, then that would be a fine alternative. I think it would also look better than leaving the last cap column empty for players who have not been there for a long time but are still not retired, as having an entry for their "most recent cap" would look much nicer and complete. It may take a few full days to complete, so to avoid incomplete stats with a wonky table (as there will be differences in the number of columns), it may be better to work in a sandbox for a bit before we have it fully complete. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 00:28, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi again. So I've been working my way to creating the last bit of Italy international footballer articles (I have about 20 left down from 60). My next course of action would be to implement a similar structure to the England international player pages. Right now I have the full list of players with the first one for Abate done at User:Vaselineeeeeeee/sandbox. Later I'd want to also make pages for the cap players, 2-3 cap players and 4-9 cap players to separate from 10 cap and above players to make these lists more manageable. I think it would be best to remove the honours column as it compresses the table a lot, but have made a symbol key to note the players that won first place major honours which I think would be more clean. If you have extra time here and there, please feel free to work on my sandbox. All the best, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 03:30, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@Vaselineeeeeeee: To be frank, if I had known that we were going to lose complete information about the honours (namely, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place) I would have never agreed on restructuring the article. To me, honours represent a much important piece of information than the opponent of the last game, which is trivial but we had for the sake of completeness. This is particularly true for Italy that, differently from England, is one of the most decorated national teams. Could we perhaps add the list of honours by player in the statistics page? --Tanonero (msg) 06:57, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

I know, I didn't want to get rid of it either because I know you added it and it does offer valuable information, however it since we are adding more columns it gets very squished. I've thought of a possible solution where we could use refn notes, and each note could be a place in a competition, so for example Abate would have two notes for second at Euro 2012 and third at 2013 Confederation, or if many players have this combination, one note that combines the two can be made, and this note can be super-scripted beside the players name or in keep the honours column and just have the note refn in its place, that way it'll remove the squishing. I still like the idea of having the opponents, but the key info I really wanted added was the positions of the players. See my User:Vaselineeeeeeee/sandbox for the updated example. :) I think this would be the best solution; the gold, silver and bronze medals are not a huge loss, the less cruft the better, as long as the info is there. If you start working on it, just skip the players with only one cap and we'll come back to it when we make that article because the formatting is slightly different for the opponent columns. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 11:59, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@Vaselineeeeeeee: Well, the position is another information I have some doubts about. They were originally in the list, but got removed because the traditional categorisation (GK, DF, MF, FW) would not really apply for wingers (which can be both midfielders or attackers, depending on the system) and players who have played in a variety of positions. Also, I think there also was the problem of retrieving accurate information about the positions of some footballers playing during the start of the XX century. --Tanonero (msg) 12:13, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@Vaselineeeeeeee: Another mild problem is that updating the list will be more time-consuming as asking the user to do so across several articles depending on the numbers of caps. Perhaps a compromise would have been to do something like this, with no "Notes", the position, and two additional narrow columns for Confederation Cup and Olympic Games. I'm sorry for having such a conservative outlook, but I really liked the article the way it is/was. --Tanonero (msg) 12:18, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

No worries at all, I value your input. Oh like that way at Germany, competitions split and therefore we only need to pipe the year to cut space. It's a Featured Article so it's a good basis as well. Well, with regards to the positions, I know what you mean that the positions were slightly different pre 1960 as they showed at the England page, but in general the positions of defence, mid and forward don’t change. Besides, the FIGC player profiles (the external link I added to the page last night) state the position they played in, at least the position they played in when they played for Italy. So for that reason I don’t see any reason for not reinstating them after your removal in 2015. With regards to the different pages base on caps, I see how it could be a bit more cumbersome to update, but policy speaking, pages shouldn’t be overly large. I’m not big on the policy so I really don’t care, but it’s definitely part of the reason why we, and pages before ours for the Italy results were broken into year intervals of 20. So I think with all that being said, I don’t mind with leaving the page intact as a whole, but I strongly agree with adding the general positions and keeping the honours as you’ve said; I guess I’m on the fence about adding the opponents as it may be trivial, and the Featured Article doesn't include it, so I'm fine with not adding it. So essentially we can clean up the honours and add the general positions as they do at Germany (I don't think it's necessary to include the competitions they played in but didn't receieve a medal, though as they do. User:Vaselineeeeeeee/sandbox new example (the last cap column is wide because the others haven't been changed yet). Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 20:02, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

For the players with only one cap, I was thinking about doing a colspan since they technically never had a last cap. It was their first and last cap. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 15:53, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

@Vaselineeeeeeee: Fine with me. --Tanonero (msg) 16:08, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Vincenzo Fresia

@Vaselineeeeeeee: While Vincenzo Fresia is not listed as appearing for the team by the FIGC, La Stampa published a report on the 15 June 1913 friendly match against Austria: La società Pro Vercelli e rappresentata da sette campioni: Innocenti, Milano I e II, Binaschi, Berardo, Fresia, Corna; Devecchi della Internazionale di Milano; Parodi del Foot Ball Club di Casale; Valobra del Piemonte Foot Ball Club di Torino; Trerè del Milano Club di Milano, in complesso è quasi esclusivamente composta di piemontesi. Vincenzo played for Pro Vercelli at the time, while Attilio Fresia never did. S.A. Julio (talk) 05:19, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Julio - I've self rv'd. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 05:43, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism

Please note that user Tanonero is committing multiple vandalism actions, removing information (list of Italian players by caps, with at least 60 appearances) without consensus. This kind of information and list is not reported anywhere for the Italian national team, and as for other national team pages, it should be reported exactly here as in other Wikipedia pages there is a table with only the first 10 players with the most caps. This information is very useful and researched, even more than the list of players with at least 1 cap in alphabetical order.. but they should stay together on this page. --84.211.17.5 (talk) 10:13, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

This is why we have sortable headings for the columns. No need to duplicate info. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 14:50, 27 March 2023 (UTC)