Talk:LL postcode area

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note the irony of having the 'll' code in Wales where there is so many place names starting with 'll' ( actually a single letter in Welsh ). 217.7.209.108 11:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

They could have swapped it with Llandrindod Wells (LD) originally without anyone thinking anything of it. If they'd made Llandudno LD, and Llandrindod LW, there might be fewer letters sent with an OL postcode on by mistake (imagine someone giving an address over the 'phone).

I suppose there are a lot of pairs of postcode areas which are confused like that, though. I don't think anyone's published anything about it, though. Aoeuidhtns (talk) 20:35, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Place and postcode merger

As in the CH postcode user Aoeuidhtns has either added or changed places with the inclusion of part postcodes (ie LL21) which has rendered the link as a dead link (red text). I am sure this is explained but unless there is a mass project it doesnt make sense. It clearly overcomplicates the page with each place being displaced. Each place is already sectioned into the postcode anyway therefore it is not necessary. In addition the lead town is duplicated which i have removed (ie Wrexham|Wrexham). There remains a large number of red text in the places in this page i dont know if this is because the pages for the locations are not yet created or there are mistakes, perhaps someone with more knowledge of the LL area can help.Babydoll9799 (talk) 14:33, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I included the dead links on the page to enable people to distinguish towns and villages which have wikipedia pages from those which may not. I created the links because I found it easier to change a link once I'd found a page for it than to create the link from scratch at that point.

Babydoll9799 has changed a number of these to point to pages with the same name as the town. In some cases (such as Cymau), this is a relevant page. In some (such as Tal-y-bont), it is a disambiguation page with relevant links. Others (such as The Green) have no relevant pages on them. A fourth group (including St. George and Star, settlements which I have since found are described at St. George, Conwy and Star, Anglesey respectively) are normal articles which do not refer to the settlement in question.

As there are many duplicated place names in the UK, and also many places who share names with other words or notable things, trying to guess place names in this way is bound to throw up all sorts of poor quality links.

I don't know if Wikipedia policy says anything about what you should do if you mention something which deserves a link in an article, but there isn't an obvious but unambiguous name for it, and you don't want to check what the other article is actually called.

That was my approach, and I feel it left a clearer article than the current version. Aoeuidhtns (talk) 16:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I think you need to check the whole postcode 'network' as nothing comes up as you had done merging the first part of the postcode and the town. Even if you did this to help you it was left like that for some time. You might not like what i have done take a look at M, B or any postcodes. My main 'concern' was this alteration you made had rendered all of the links as dead links. All i have done is demerged, removed the postcode from the town nothing else.

You can add the postcode if you wish it just does not make sense as each 'place' is seperated into each postcode.

I honestly dont know what your query is on your second para above tho i accept i personally have no idea how small the 'places' can be to qualify..So are hamlets and settlements needed no matter how small? I dont know. Thats another matter. As for the towns themselves i did say it needs someone with more knowledge of the LL postcode area to finish cleaning up the dead links.

Also if a town does not have a page there are 3 options - create a page, create a link with no page (red), or leave it without a link. I'd leave them as black (no link) until a page is created but i have not changed anything here because i do not know the LL area. Babydoll9799 (talk) 16:32, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

(For the record, the links added by Aoeuidhtns were in the form [[Rhoscefnhir, LL75|Rhoscefnhir]].)

In principle, Wikipedia could have articles (or redirects) named in that manner. But at present it generally does not. In most parts of the UK, people do not casually refer to places by their postal location. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#United Kingdom suggests county or unitary areas to disambiguate UK places. Postcodes are not recommended and are not mentioned as appropriate redirects to create. Without consensus for changing the convention, therefore, I would suggest that postcodes not generally be used for disambiguation, since this would tend to cause confusion by introducing inconsistent links and redirects of little use. (Possible exceptions might be places such as London suburbs where the postcode districts are well known as geographical areas.)

As a starting point, when adding a link, the placename should be checked under both [[Placename]] and [[Placename, Areaname]], where Areaname is the county/lieutenancy for a place in England or Northern Ireland, and the council area for a place in Scotland or Wales (this is a slight simplification of the adopted convention).

If a place has no article, it is helpful to create a red link to increase the likelihood and ease of future editors creating an article.

If, alternatively, a placename redirects to a disambiguation or inappropriate page, then it would be appropriate to pipe the link so that it goes instead to the correct page.

Links to disambiguation pages should be avoided, so a red-link is fine even if a disambiguation page exists. You can get a list of disambiguation pages linked from an article page here.

Of course, if an editor does not have time to review links when preparing to add appropriate placenames, it is still better to have unlinked placenames than to have no placenames at all.

Hope that helps to clarify the relevant policies and how they interact.

— Richardguk (talk) 20:04, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

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Position of Llandudno in the numbering

A quick look at various postcode areas shows that, in the majority of them, district 1 is actually in the city or town after which the area is named.

In cases where there's no district 1, I suppose the natural expectation would be that said town is wherever the numbering does start. So in this case, LL11 would be in Llandudno. But no – we don't get into Llandudno until LL30. It would be good to find some information on why this is. For instance, were LL1 to LL10 originally used, but later reassigned to LL30 to LL39 as LL29 was the last district in the area up to that time? — Smjg (talk) 23:05, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Non-geographic post towns

I've removed St Asaph from LL18 as streetcheck.co.uk only lists LL18 9HZ (terminated in April 2020) and LL18 9JG (terminated in August 2022) against it.

There are live LL18 postcodes with Abergele and Prestatyn post towns (PO Boxes for the National Pigeon Association and Apex Travel respectively). I haven't put them in the table as either postcode could be terminated tomorrow. If there's an explanation somewhere of how large users are assigned post towns, it could be worth adding. I don't know, though.

I've also removed Rhosneigr from LL77, as I can't find any evidence of that at all. Aoeuidhtns (talk) Aoeuidhtns (talk) 15:36, 14 May 2023 (UTC)