Talk:Kvutzat Kinneret

Things entirely missing

1. Early maps call Kinneret "Mallaha". Note that there was an Arab village called Mallaha further north.
2. The Yemenites who lived in the Motor House from 1912 until they were expelled in 1929 or 1930.

Zero^talk 03:37, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Yemenites

@Number 57, Gilabrand, and Zero0000: hi everybody. Please feel free to add - but please, don't remove the well-sourced material without good reasons. I am sure there are other p.o.v., but I've exhausted the time I can invest in it. Missing for instance: why was the plaque removed, what did the text say? Has it been placed back? How did the trial end?

Regarding why here. According to the main source, which directly quotes kibbutz members, it was Benzion Israeli who, as leader of the kibbutz (by 1930 it was a kibbutz), decided that the Yemenites are not compatible and had to go. The Motor House belongs to Kvutzat Kinneret. Even though at their arrival in 1912 there was no kvutza (i.e. group) yet (only est. 1913), and even though the group moved from the farm to its final uphill location only in 1929, it seems that the kvutza/kibbutz members were the ones who had the most dealings with the Yemenites. Not the moshava, not the farm (at least not for most of the 1912-1930 period), not Degania (who also had contact to the Yemenite neighbours living just across the river). Or not? Maybe that's not fully so, 18 years are a long time and all these settlements were in the immediate vicinity of the Yemenites. If somebody has a different well-sourced opinion and a better suggestion for where to place the Yemenites' story, I'd be more than happy to listen and learn. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 23:21, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, i have overlooked this gold mine: Jews of Yemen – Kinneret and the Yemenite Pioneers at WysInfo Docuwebs - Documentaries On The Web. Arminden (talk) 23:42, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

A source for the early 20th century events is Yehuda Nini, Kinneret's Yemenites: Their settlement and removal from the land, 1912-1930 (Am Oved, 1936). It is not accessible to me. Zero^talk 11:45, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Why did the group settle so late?

The group (kvutza) was est. in 1913. They only moved to the permanent location 16 (!) years later. There must be good reasons for that, but none is mentioned. Staying at the farm cannot possibly have been their first choice. The separation farm-kvutza, maybe also moshav, must have been far more fluid than it seems. Needs to be elaborated a bit.

Ouch. I've overlooked an excellent source. Needs to be taken care of: Jews of Yemen – Kinneret and the Yemenite Pioneers at WysInfo Docuwebs - Documentaries On The Web. A Hebrew-speaker could watch the documentary and help out. Arminden (talk) 23:42, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Photo

Can anyone confirm or clarify where this photo is of? It is from the WikiCommons JNF archive with caption ‘Kvutzat Kinneret’ dated 1910.

Kvutzat Kinneret 1910

Padres Hana (talk) 09:59, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

This second photo, also captioned ‘Kvutzat Kinneret’, is dated 1930. It appears to be one of the buildings in first photo. I am inclined to add photo#1 to the article with a vague date. e.g. ‘early buildings’.

Kvutzat Kinneret 1930

Padres Hana (talk) 23:07, 10 September 2020 (UTC)