Talk:Kostas Botsaris

Endless national capaign

Seems specific users perform a variety of unexplained reverts in order to support edit warring, for example this: [[1]] is one of the funiest edit summaries I've seen: claiming that a general of the Greek Army and a member of the Greek parliament had not the Greek citinzenship.Alexikoua (talk) 22:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

What revert did I make to support edit-warring? Alexikoua if you continue labeling every edit I make as a revert(and every time I ask you to bring the dif that shows my revert, you never bring it) with section titles like endless national campaign I'll start an ANI for WP:NPA. Btw when Bocari was a revolutionary he didn't have Greek citizenship. --— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 08:56, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

albanian-speaking christians weren't a nation back then and easily assimilated into the only existing nation in the Balkans, the Greek one. trying to strip a Greek revolutionary of his greekness in any way possible is humorous and expected from an Albanian nationalist. 87.202.33.74 (talk) 22:26, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Agree with 87.x. Also when I say 'specific users perform a variety of unexplained reverts' as above, this doesn't mean that the reverter was ZjarriRrethues, in addition I gave this dif [[2]] in order to present how unhistorical some edit summaries are (with the funny claim that a person that was General and MP in country X hadn't X citinzenship in general). Of course everyone can launch a barrage of bad faith reports but this can inevitable lead to reporter's sanction.Alexikoua (talk) 20:20, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Hm, saying that Albanian-speaking Christians weren't a nation two centuries ago is a little like denying to the Greeks to be a nation NOW. That's how much Albanian nationalist many of them were. Were some of them absorbed, especially after the death of Ali Pasha, into the panhellenistic theory? Yes indeed, Vangjel Zhapa was one of them, but saying that they weren't a nation, is far fetched and way over the line. You guys ought to read Albanische Studien in three volumes written by Hahn [3] to see that the Albanian nation was very distinct at that time, and as a matter of fact it has been for the last 2000 years. Saying these things in the talk page smells of racism, and Alexi you should be a little careful with that, because you are an established editor, of whom I wouldn't expect these low points. --Sulmuesi (talk) 20:48, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually 19th century crap isn't the best choice for today wikipedians (especially if it leads to edit warring madness like in Konitsa). Also I would appreciate if you avoid extreme trolling (racism and other irrelevant issues).Alexikoua (talk) 21:06, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Sulmues, be *very* careful about accusing other contributors of "racism". You are on thin ice here. Athenean (talk) 21:10, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Konitsa gave me 3 weeks of rest from POV pushers, and actually it was a blessing. Alexi, Hahn was a scholar, not a traveller. You'd do a good use of your German with a quick read there. Athenean, remember to pinch your fellow editors too, who are claiming that the Albanians weren't a nation two centuries ago. --Sulmuesi (talk) 21:43, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

"Griechische und albanesische Märchen"? 'Greek and Albanian fairytales'? You must be joking. Also I didn't claim that Albanians weren't a nation...Alexikoua (talk) 21:49, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Wrong link, sorry, corrected: It's Albanische Studien, not "Griechische und albanesische Märchen". I can't find it online though. Alexi, you agreed with the IP editor who was saying that the Albanian Christians weren't a nation. --Sulmuesi (talk) 21:53, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Stating the Albanians weren't fully formed as a nation 200 years ago is debatable, but it's not a personal attack against your fellow editors. Accusing them of racism and being POV pushers is. Stop this, now, or you might go on another "break". Btw, since it was such a blessing, why did you appeal it, got all mad when it was rejected, then create socks to appeal it again? Doesn't make sense. Anyway, this discussion is over as far as the article is concerned, and as far as I'm concerned. Athenean (talk) 22:14, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is based on the willingness of people to set things straight, once that the ill-informed have stated the false. I'm one of the former. So my first reaction to an unjust block is to ask for an unblock, however after awhile I recognize that I am simply wikiaddicted, and that the ill-informed in wikipedia don't represent the true story, so I worry for nothing. I still think that telling to someone that his nation is recently formed when his nation has existed for centuries is simply a form of denigrating other nations by belittling them and pushing their formation to more recent years. Questioning when the Albanians formed their nation and asserting that they were formed less than two centuries ago is racism toward the Albanian ethnicity, so if you want to fill one of those forms in ANI and waste everybody's time with that, go ahead, I'll get another break from POV pushers.--Sulmuesi (talk) 22:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I would appreciate if you avoid this national trolling, noone spoke about a nation in general, but about specific communities,the ip editor too. About Kostas Botsaris, things are simple (unless you prove that he became general and MP in another country).Alexikoua (talk) 10:13, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Look, if you have any sources to back up that the Albanian Christians were not a nation 200 years ago, bring a source. It seems like you want at any cost to make them look confused. It might be very well the case, but I still have not seen anything like that, it's you and the IP saying it, so keep the trolling accusations to yourself: what you said is very offensive to the Albanian Christians. --Sulmuesi (talk) 20:31, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

(ignore trolling) The article is fine and well sourced (no need for additional material). Any new case should be filled properly.Alexikoua (talk) 21:47, 21 November 2010 (UTC)