Talk:Karl Lueger

"those who have since fallen out of favor with historians post-Holocaust"

I think this way of expressing why there is a dilemma about celebrating a figure such as Lueger gives the impression that his reputation has been called into question only by a particular group of professional experts ("historians") whereas the reason for controversy is that many parts of European political, religious, cultural and social history have been the subject of examination and debate, as a wide range of people review what it was in Europe's past that may have contributed to the Holocaust. I have replaced "those who have since fallen out of favor with historians post-Holocaust" with language which reflects that. Todowd (talk) 19:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I think Karl Lueger is something of a tragic figure. On one hand, he brought new ideas and innovations to Vienna that the city desparately needed. On the other, he obtained his power by pandering to the prejudices and ignorance of his times when he himself seems to have known better. By "lowering the bar" politically, he paved the way for man like Dolfuss and Hitler. Cranston Lamont 00:36, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Well...

I think you are certainly right about him not being the knight in shining armour, at least in historical perspective.

But during his terms of office the majority of Viennese in all probability did not perceive him as someone who compromised on any ideals by doing what he did, since such views were not universally frowned upon as they are today. He pretty certainly would not have been seen as a tragic figure who was *forced* to do anything, especially since radical political views were not as uncommon then as they are now.

And one can see it the other way round as well: he did get to realise his dream of improving the city he lived in - few mayors gave so much back to the community in terms of infrastructure and organisational improvements as Lueger.

That he ostracised a sizeable portion of the population in the process of obtaining and holding onto power - well, not having lived then and not being a professional historian I cannot be sure of this (and I am not certain how sure even the professionals can be on something like that), but my guess is that he would have viewed that more as case of "collateral damage" than as a blemish on his record.

As others have pointed out he was also mostly someone who just talked rough, and actually (to my knowledge, at least) never did anything that actually directly harmed any racial or religious minority.

Through his belligerent rhetoric he later on gave a lot of highly undesirable people ideas they should never have had, though, and thus can of course still be considered implicated by proxy in the hideous things that happened several decades after his death.

Sorry

Sorry about deleting that paragraph I thought that it was referencing another wikipedia article, only later did I notice it was actually a book, sorry about that my mistake.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 06:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Franz Josef

Seems to me that Emperor Franz Josef's three-time refusal to allow him to take office deserves more than the brief mention it gets here. Does someone have more on this? - Jmabel | Talk 22:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

how did the man die?

Lueger would only have been 55 or 56 when he died, an early death even for the early 20th Century. Does anyone know what killed him? Ken Burch|Talk 07:22, 21 August 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.237.1.41 (talk)

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How many syllables in "Lueger"?

Hi. The English-language version of this page phoneticizes "Lueger" in two syllables ("Lü'-ger"). But the German-language page gives it as three ("Lu-e'-ger"). I can't resolve this, and would like to know which one is historically correct. I rather suspect that (if either) it's the three-syllable version, especially since the version with two syllables comes so close to the German word for "liar". DSatz (talk) 02:03, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

The 3-syllable version is correct. Ironic that he had a name so unintuitive to German spelling and phonetics. Evilproofer (talk) 23:28, 27 April 2021 (UTC)