Talk:Karl-Marx-Hof

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Initial translation 15 July 2005.

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Some additions / clarifications:

(1) It is not precise enough to say that Karl-Marx-Hof "was built by the Social Democrats". It was one of the largest public housing / council housing projects of the City of Vienna (kommunaler Wohnbau). However, up to the early 1930s the city council was dominated by the Social Democrats ("Rotes Wien", i.e. "Red Vienna"), and it was they who had introduced the idea of council housing.

(2) Up to the present day, Döbling has been a predominantly Conservative district of Vienna, so when Karl-Marx-Hof was built it was erected right next to traditional bourgeois and upper-class residential areas.

(3) The innovative thing about the estate was that each apartment had running water and its own toilet (no showers let alone bathtubs though). Up till then, privately-owned apartment houses had not been equipped with such amenities.

(4) Karl-Marx-Hof was not "remodelled" in the 1980s. What exactly is that supposed to mean? Of course over the decades it was adapted to contemporary living standards: Central heating, lifts, double glazing were introduced, individual residents had bathrooms built in their apartments, etc.

<KF> 17:14, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

That's great info! Why don't you add it to the article? Laura1822 19:39, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

how long is long

We are told it is the..

..longest single residential building in the world.

but we are not told how long it is. Stbalbach 18:06, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

A bit more than 1 kilometre (that's what I found although the building appears longer to me). Actually I think it's three rather than four tram stops. <KF> 19:11, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Measured in the online city map, it is about 1100m. And 4 stops, including the ones at the end, i.e. three line sections. --Ikar.us 19:39:38, 2005-07-15 (UTC)

Population

How many residents does it have? That would be valuable to know. ~ Dpr 22:12, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

As Far as i know it has about 1500 Families living in it which would then mean about 4500 - 6500 People Living in it. But you shoulnt forget that it was built for much more people. I think from what i remeber ist was built for 10.000 people but lots of flats where connected to each other and so on. But it still is a small city in itself

POV comments

The bottom of the third paragraph is a bit POV, no? Unless it's an unsourced quotation... Moyabrit 16:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Name

I visited this building today and it's definitely called the Karl Marx-Hof, with no hyphen between Karl and Marx. I saw it on several signs, including the one on the front of the building. I know all the Google references give it as Karl-Marx-Hof, but none of them seem to be Austrian and it seems they are all wrong. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 13:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, even the one in the picture on this article says so. --DerRichter (talk) 17:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps someone can move it. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 21:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The German-language article is also written as Karl-Marx-Hof. That doesn't make it correct of course, just noting it.... Klausness (talk) 10:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

The debate may not be completely settled on German Wikipedia, but currently there is no initiative to lose the first hyphen.

It is not true that all fully-hyphenated spellings are from websites outside of Austria. On the contrary: The official website of the Vienna City Council mostly uses the fully-hyphenated spelling. Here's an example.

I will not dispute that the writing on the building uses only one hyphen, I will however dispute the authority of old architects to define current spelling. Full hyphenation has long been the official norm for such cases in the German language. There exist street names which must be written as e.g. "Werner-von-Siemens-Strasse".

I therefore propose a move back to Karl-Marx-Hof --BjKa (talk) 11:48, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

language

In the lead we have:

best-known Gemeindebauten (English: municipal tenement complexes)

but in the civil war section:

the Februaraufstand (German: February Uprising) of the 1934 Österreichischer Bürgerkrieg (German: Austrian Civil War)

Should the language be what the part in brackets is in, or a reference to the language of the original word/term? I don't know which myself, but I think it should at least be consistent. --86.173.140.91 (talk) 19:33, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Ringstrasse des Proletariats

I don't know who had this comic idea, but "Ringstrasse des Proletariats" is the "Wiener Gürtel" (a semi-annular boulevard encircling parts of the old Vienna) and NOT the Karl Marx Hof! How could one call a building a boulevard? this makes absolutely no sense!

reference for the right information can be found here: http://wien.orf.at/news/stories/2711897/

so I deleted this text from the article: "and was called the Ringstraße des Proletariats, the Ring-road of the Proletariat. (Vienna's principal Ringstraße, dating from the 1850s, surrounds the city centre and had been intended as a showcase for the grandeur and glory of the Habsburg Empire)."

--Horia mar (talk) 02:46, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

The fighters in the complex

I would argue that the so called “insurgence” were just workers and soldiers of the paramilitary of the Socialist Party of Austria (SPÖ) and not insurgence.

They were freedom fighters in the name of democracy as the Christian Social Party just dissolved the parliament and forbid the SPÖ as a political party. Economist to be (talk) 23:16, 24 October 2022 (UTC)