Talk:Joseph Kabila

Formatting, language, and POV

What's with the end of the article? It's awful! I want to delete it, but I don't want to step on someone's toes. The formatting is screwy, english is broken, and POV is questionable. I think I might just delete it. Revert if you feel strongly about it.

Wezelboy (talk) 21:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Haha- someone beat me to it.

Wezelboy (talk) 21:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Hewa Bora II

Your entry of Joseph Kabila’s early, stated that he was “born in the rebel stronghold of his father, then rebel leader Laurent Desire Kabila, in Hewa Bora II”. Then in the section “Guerrilla and early years, it says that “In order to integrate his stepfather's rebel forces, Joseph Kabila followed a military curriculum”.

Shall I first point to you that there has never been an administrative territory in the Democratic Republic of the Congo called Hewa Bora II. The first time this territory was ever mentioned in the existence of the Democratic Republic of the Congo was when Joseph Desire Kabila was questioned about his Congolese origin which highly contested in the D.R. Congo. There has also never been any body in the D.R. Congo who has ever claimed to be from or born from this part of the country.

It is also interesting that there is no mention of the contested nationality of Joseph Kabila in your entry.

Under Higher Education: it only says Washington International University. Could you inform your readers that this university is a non-traditional, distance learning university, with no classroom attendance required?

Many thanks,

Germain M.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.189.242.125 (talk • contribs) on 18 June 2006

POV-POV-POV!!!

I'm not Congolese nor have any sort of relation or vested interest with RDC, I was just looking for some complementary info on this character and I found that the Wikipedia article is written in an absolutely POV style in what seems a sort of politically motivated vandalism. The current text seems to state as facts things that, while they could be even true, are not commonly accepted as such (ref. [1], any of the other Wikipedia articles on RDC and the Kabila family). I don't feel able to fix this, so I have reported to the administrators. --Sugaar 15:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed this is a really terrible biased article. And it still needs serious repair.

I have removed the following as I feel it is more based on subjectivity rather than objectivity and It is poorly sourced " This claim seems to be sustained by the lack of resemblance between the father and the son and by his ties with Congo's inconvenient neighbor Rwanda. Puzzled by his alleged real birth name of Hyppolite Kanambe, his nebulous childhood and circumstances surrounding his rise to the presidency,"

May I also add that the article seems to be rather politically motivated than trying to present facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zingankuvu (talk • contribs) 23:50, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Such lies i read. Joseph is Rwandese, his steph father Laurent Kabila was Congolese. He was also never adopted he was just raised by him and his Mother. He didn't do shit to end the civil war he endorse and help the rebels to destroy DRC. He makes billions of dollars just to help out Rwanda and Give Kagame money. DRC is so corrupt and the world doesn't even know about it. Also there is a silent genocide going on which he, and his sister endorse. He removed all the Congolese soldiers and replaced them with Rwandese soldiers so that they can destroy Congo more.. Smh Candace black (talk) 22:20, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Check it out !

The intoduction of this article is one of the worst ones on Wikipedia. Citations are also needed to support facts such as the involvement of Joseph Kabila in the assasination of his father Laurent Desiree Kabila. This article needs some serious revisions. To not forget, this African leader has always been internationally and officially known as Joseph Kabila. Where is the whole Hypolite Kanamba name coming from? This bad article is really an insult.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.62.37 (talk • contribs) 14 July 2006

Someone introduced unsubstantiated claims into the article. These have been reverted. --Ezeu 22:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Current Event Tag

Who tagged the article and why? What current event is happening in relation to Kabila that warrants it? Nightscream 15:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Hyppolite Kanambe

Apparently there is a minor story making its rounds that Kabila is the illegitimate son of someone or other and his actual name is Kanambe. (I count 750 Google hits for the name right now vs 771,000 for "Joseph Kabila".) This might merit mention if a coherent explanation can be mustered, but simply adding "Hyppolite Kanambe" as another name for Joseph Kabila is not acceptable. - BanyanTree 20:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Removed. Matttoothman (talk) 01:32, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Where does this story originate from? That he is really a Rwandan Tutsi named Hyppolite Kanambe? 68.175.122.193 (talk) 02:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Such lies i read. Joseph is Rwandese, his steph father Laurent Kabila was Congolese. He was also never adopted he was just raised by him and his Mother. He didn't do shit to end the civil war he endorse and help the rebels to destroy DRC. He makes billions of dollars just to help out Rwanda and Give Kagame money. DRC is so corrupt and the world doesn't even know about it. Also there is a silent genocide going on which he, and his sister endorse. He removed all the Congolese soldiers and replaced them with Rwandese soldiers so that they can destroy Congo more.. Candace black (talk) 22:22, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Congo is such a big country. Almost over past and many years was too much trouble in the east side of our country. No one brought peace. Kabila Joseph kabange push and made all his effort at least to get on this level that we are now. I really appreciate and congrats him. No matter what people says about him that is not Congolese. To see actually what his doing and more effort that is giving to bring everyone together. Let work together and bring our country on the good level. Im ready to support my country and work together with the government. I will appreciate. Thanks Kitenge kolomoni Cocky (talk) 12:20, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Plot to overthrow Joseph Kabila after Laurent Kabila's assassination

{{Edit semi-protected}} A part from being corrupt, Kabila has carried out a campaign of killings Congolese prominent human rights activists and members of the opposition. Some of the prominent victims he is alleged of Killing are: father Christian Bakulene, father Daniel Cizimya Nakamaga and 12 other catholic priests in Bukavu, South Kivu. Other recent victims include Serge Maheshe a United Nations radio OKAPI journalist, Daniel Boteti and Marius Gangale Provincial Members of Parliament, Pascal Kabungulu, Floribert Chebeya and Didas Namujimbo amongst many others. These killings have been linked to Kabila and to date no investigation or prosecution has been brought against any one. In 2005, president Kabila is alleged of using his presidential guards in an attempt to kill Fredrick Wangabo Mwenengabo a well respected human rights activist form the Eastern Congo. In October 2012, president is alleged of using his guards in attempt to kill Dr. Denis Mukwege a respected gynaecologist working with raped women in Eastern Congo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.66.188 (talk) 03:04, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

On February 19, 2001, Emmanuel Dungia, DRC ex-Ambassador to South Africa and Special Adviser of Laurent Kabila, is arrested by the security department of the Presidential Guard on the grounds of being involved in a plot to overthrow the young new president Joseph Kabila. Eleven officers of the former Faz (Forces Armées Zaïroises) precede him on the list of detainees. February 23, they are transferred to the Makala prison. Interrogations they are submitted to are useless as there is no evidence to support the charges. Against all odds, inmates are transferred to the Buluwo prison in Katanga on June 17, 2001. On September 13, 2001, Dungia is “acquitted” by the Military Court which accelerates its judgments due to international pressure. His accuser, officer Taïka declares in the preparatory meetings that he has never seen Dungia in person. The latter returned to Kinshasa on September 16, 2001.--Emi.deborah 11:10, 6 January 2011 (UTC) Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Unfortunately, the references you provide don't verify the information you want to add. The first reference doesn't mention Dungia at all, and the second mentions him only in passing (as one of many arrested, without discussing whether he was acquitted or found guilty). The first article doesn't say anything abotu Faz; in fact, it focuses primarily on the problem of torture in Congo. So, in order to add that info, you'll need to find other sources. But even if you did, I'm not sure that this is even directly relevant to the subject of this article, Joseph Kabila. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:09, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

References

Question of parentage

The "Early life and education" seems completely illogical.
I'm reading "He is supposedly the adopted son of Laurent-Désiré Kabila and Sifa Mahanya.", OK so he is supposed to be their adopted son.
"There are however some doubts as to the correctness of this official story. Many, especially those in the Congolese diaspora, believe that Laurent-Désiré Kabila was not his biological father; but rather his step father." People believe he is adopted, yet doubt the official story that he is adopted?
And then "Many opposition voices called for a DNA test to prove his identity as Laurent-Désiré Kabila's natural child...". "Prove his identity", where has he been claiming to be son of Kabila? Citations Can someone with more knowledge of the topic than I please fix this? Seems to be written by people with opposing point of view smashed together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.45.190.211 (talk) 10:01, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

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I. His origins :

Joseph Kabila, in his real name Hyppolite Kanambe Kazemberembe, was born on 4th June 1971 of a Rwandan father on the name of Christopher KANAMBE and a Rwandan mother named Marceline MUKAMBUKUJE. His father was an opossant to the Rwandan former president Juvénal HABYARIMANA. He met Laurent Désiré KABILA, opposant of the Zairean former president MOBUTU, in the resistance movements based in the mountains on the rwando-zairean border, where they fought against their common enemies: MOBUTU and HABYARIMANA.

After the death of his friend Christopher Kanambe in 1977, Laurent Désiré Kabila married (in the traditional customs) his widow Marcelline and adopted (in the same traditional customs) her two young twin children, a girl and a boy: Jenny KANAMBE and Hyppolite KANAMBE.

II. A neglected youth :

LD Kabila, who wed – several women (of which more than 13 -) when he went underground-and of which he got a number of children (more than 25), had only a limited – time to take care of the latter. So as he had not been able to push his studies beyond the secondary level, the young Hyppolite Kanambe was forced to do several jobs for his living- amongst which as a taximan,as a barman and of mechanic in the cities of Dar-are – Salaam and of Kigoma in Tanzania. VERITEcongo (talk) 14:40, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 15:06, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Outdated photo

Kabila now has gained some weight and sport a healthy beard almost half grayed out. His appearance thus has changed quite a bit from the photo on the article. Could someone upload a more up to date photo? --Aréat (talk) 10:56, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2022

HatingStudies (talk) 14:17, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

an image caption says 'kabile' instead of 'kabila'

 Done Cannolis (talk) 14:34, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Etienne Tshisekedi link

please change ((Etienne Tshisekedi)) to ((Étienne Tshisekedi)) 98.239.227.65 (talk) 03:42, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done The use of accent marks usually follows whether the provided source has used them or not, but I'll accept this for the sake of consistency with the second usage of their name and other similar names in the section below. Deauthorized. ^(talk) 04:04, 17 July 2023 (UTC)