Talk:Sir John McEwen, 1st Baronet

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 02:50, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

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John McEwen (Scottish politician) → Sir John McEwen, 1st Baronet – John McEwen is ambiguous, see John McEwen (disambiguation). According to the naming conventions for baronets a baronet is disambiguated by using "Sir Forename Surname, Ordinal Baronet": "If the name is ambiguous and the baronetcy is the best disambiguator between the men of that name, use the full style as the article title: Sir John Brunner, 2nd Baronet (with both prefix and postfix". Tryde (talk) 19:32, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

• comment I don't see why "Sir" is attached, it violates WP:PRECISE, that naming guideline is in contravention. 76.65.128.132 (talk) 09:01, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
• Support Not only does it not violate WP:PRECISE, it is in full accordance with point 1 - 'Natural disambiguation', as well as being in keeping with the relevant naming convention for titles. Benea (talk) 13:05, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
  • It is longer than leaving it off, so is not consise, as the "ordinal baronet" is natural enough. 76.65.128.132 (talk) 11:44, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
    • Concise is not the same as precise. And just "ordinal baronet" is not natural, as the style "ordinal baronet" is not used without the preceding 'Sir'. You can't have the one without the other without inventing a new style. Benea (talk) 12:50, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
• Support -- This reverts the article to the standard format for baronets. The present form is not ambiguous and should be retained as a redirect. "Sir" is always used as a prefix for baronets, though WP dislikes it for knights. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:09, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
  • But why treat the two separately, since "sir" is natural disambiguation for knights? 76.65.128.132 (talk) 11:44, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
    • Sir is allowed under the conventions, and is seen on some articles, it is just apparently rarely used. Benea (talk) 12:50, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

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