Talk:John E. Hamm

Sources

Some of this stuff is perhaps better found in other sources. Norris Schnieder, author of "Y Bridge City", wrote several articles about Dr. Hamm in the local Muskingum Co. Ohio Newspaper: "Zanesville Times Recorder", in the time frame of c 1940-c 1960 ?, (some of the clippings I have aren't dated), the publisher of this Newspaper was Dr. Hamm's grandson, and these articles were sometimes even on the front page.

Sources include standard reference works on US diplomatic history found in the Library of Congress, (their Original Sources appear to be his diplomatic dispatches in NARA, his method of writing is illegible, so I have never read his letters etc.). NARA also has records of his term as the Marshal of Ohio, and there must be a lot of military records on him (which I have not found either) he was even a "visitor to Westpoint" in 1835. He was clearly an important person in US National politics (especially the "Oregon Controversey") just before the civil war, and he very nearly missed becoming US Senator from Ohio, which loss appears to have been too much for him as he expired soon after that, different sources date this variously, it was during the Civil War, and date I have in article is from his monument in Greenwood Cem Zanesville Ohio, which is the original Marble Obelisk. The Muskingum Co. Historical Society Quarterly has occasional bits about him, most recently that he was the legislator who established what became the State medical board of which he was perhaps an original memb. Also cf. his statement at the begining of the published Results of the 1820 Ohio Decennial Census, an original printed copy of which is at Miami Univ (Ohio). However some of this verges on original research. I think all or almost all of the info in this article was either in "Y Bridge City", or "Who was Who" (which has been reissued several times, and my cite for which is cut and pasted from another wikipedia article with the date changed to the edition I used which I think may have had a different publisher).

I got his middle initial perfonecon with an archivist at NARA in 1982.

Recently I found several pictures of Bottles from Ohio Glass Co., on the Web, and am unsure what to do as far as linking them here.

John5Russell3Finley 21:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Categories

Today I replaced the category Ohio Politicians, it seemed witless to remove it in the first place, if someone thinks that there was a valid reason for removing the category then let me know on my discussion page, 'can't imagine what the reason would be, but Dr. Hamm was an accomplished diplomat, and I don't guess he would want to start a fight about this article unless it leads to its improvement. As a side issue has anybody put any more thought into getting him linked properly to the US Reps to Chile List (maybe there was a demotion of the US rep to Chile during the 19th C? That could explain how he was Our First Amb to Chile and his successors were not all Ambs). John5Russell3Finley (talk) 23:19, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

It is because he is in two categories which are sub-cats of Category:Members of the Ohio General Assembly, in turn a sub category of the Ohio Politicians one. A general rule (but not always), having people in the more general categories is counter-productive - sein gthe wood for the trees. For example he could also be in "State legislators of the United States" "Legislators in the United States " "State political office-holders in the United States" "State legislatures of the United States" "Subnational legislators" "Political office-holders in the United States" "American politicians" "Politicians of North American nations" "American political people" "American people " etc....

Rgds, Rich Farmbrough, 19:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC).

Marshall

Marshall of the State seems to have been seen as very important. I think perhaps Marshall during the War of 1812 was a big deal. It seems to in those days have meant head of the police forces, and incharge of the administration of the courts. This may have been even more important since his father in law General van Horne was adjutant General of the Ohio Militia. John5Russell3Finley (talk) 13:11, 17 December 2012 (UTC)