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The templates for notability and primary vs. secondary sources have been removed. Following is a detailed summary:

Notability: The subject meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines, specifically in the following five documented criteria:

1. Dr. Kibbie has been the subject of the following "non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician", as listed in the article's References: · Melanie Taylor, "University researchers examine how data science can interpret music", The Michigan Daily · Alisa Alering, "What can math tell us about artistry?", Science Node · Dan Meisler, "Research initiative seeks to connect music and big data", The University Record · Scott M. Hyslop, "James Kibbie's Bach Adventure", The American Organist · Joyce Robinson, "A Conversation with James Kibbie", The Diapason · Brooks Grantier, "Building Bach: His Foundations and Futures", The Diapason

4. Dr. Kibbie's performances on US and international concert tours have been reviewed in dozens of newspapers and journals which constitute "independent reliable sources." These reviews of individual concerts are too numerous to include in the article's References.

5. The article's Discography includes 11 albums released on major indie labels (i.e., independent labels with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable): · Jiří Ropek: Credo, with Jiří Ropek, Jan Kalfus, the Czech Radio Chamber Choir and the Bohemia Brass Ensemble, Supraphon Records · Organ and Choral Music: Theodore Morrison, with Scott Hanoian, Karl Schrock, Marilyn Mason and the University of Michigan Chamber Choir, Equilibrium Records · Merrily on Hill, Prestant Records · Jiří Ropek, Composer and Organist, with John Scott, Jan Kalfus, Pavel Cerny and the Prague Philharmonic Chorus, Multisonic Records · Johann Sebastian Bach, Clavierübung III, Afka Records · Organ Works of Dieterich Buxtehude, Arkay Records · 20th-Century Czech Organ Music, Spectrum Records · Jehan Alain: an Organ Anthology, Spectrum Records · Works of Charles Tournemire, Spectrum Records · The World Rejoices, Vox-Turnabout Records · Unicorn, Vox Records

9. Dr. Kibbie has won the following major music competitions: · International Competition of the Prague Spring Festival, Czech Republic · Grand prix in the international competition "Grand Prix de Chartres," France The following additional references have been added to the article's Notes to further document this: "Ve znamení života a míru", Komunistické strany československa, May 13, 1979. "Le Concours d'orgue de Chartres: un très bon cru", Le Monde, September 24, 1980.

12. Dr. Kibbie has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment of the Pipedreams radio program on the American Public Media national network. The following additional reference has been added to the article's Notes to further document this: "Alain Alone", Pipedreams, American Public Media, May 21, 1990.

Secondary sources: The following references listed in the article meet Wikipedia's criteria for secondary sources. They provide "thought and reflection based on primary sources, generally at least one step removed from an event." They contain "analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources:" · Melanie Taylor, "University researchers examine how data science can interpret music", The Michigan Daily · Alisa Alering, "What can math tell us about artistry?", Science Node · Dan Meisler, "Research initiative seeks to connect music and big data", The University Record · Scott M. Hyslop, "James Kibbie's Bach Adventure", The American Organist · Brooks Grantier, "Building Bach: His Foundations and Futures", The Diapason Montre8 (talk) 19:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Montre8, on just a quick skim on your point 1 above, the criteria of being the subject of non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician is clearly not met in all the examples you have given. Taylor is not independent as it is an interview with the subject; Meisler is neither independent (interview) nor non-trivial coverage of the person (Kibble is mentioned once), Robinson is an interview with the subject and so by definition not independent and Grantier is trivial coverage. More importantly, given your only edits to wikipedia over 12+ years have been to this article and to add Kibbie's name to other articles, what is your connection to the subject and have you abided by wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines? Thank you Melcous (talk) 22:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I do recall reading Wikipedia's Conflict of Interest Guideline when I created this page some years ago, and I've reviewed it again. I don't have a conflict of interest as defined by the guideline. Dr. Kibbie and I are not family, friends or colleagues, and we have no organizational, financial or professional connection. Thank you, too, for the note about criterion 1 of the notability guidelines, which I had misunderstood. As I understand it, a subject who meets at least one criterion is deemed notable, so I assume the remaining two sources in Criterion 1 plus the other four criteria satisfy the notability guidelines. I understand my note on Criterion 4 may not be applicable, since I couldn't figure out a practical way to list references in the article. Montre8 (talk) 09:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I see the notability template is still in place. Should I remove it, or should you? If my earlier Talk posts contain too much detail to sift through, either of the following establishes notability:

9. Dr. Kibbie has won the following major music competitions: · International Competition of the Prague Spring Festival, Czech Republic · Grand prix in the international competition "Grand Prix de Chartres," France The following additional references have been added to the article's Notes to further document this: "Ve znamení života a míru", Komunistické strany československa, May 13, 1979. "Le Concours d'orgue de Chartres: un très bon cru", Le Monde, September 24, 1980.

12. Dr. Kibbie has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment of the Pipedreams radio program on the American Public Media national network. The following additional reference has been added to the article's Notes to further document this: "Alain Alone", Pipedreams, American Public Media, May 21, 1990.

Thanks. Montre8 (talk) 09:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC)