Talk:James Bay (singer)

Influences/ Similar artists/ Artist style

Would it be helpful to include a section on his musical style? Perhaps a note on artists who may have inspired him or other artists that fall in the same bucket as him... Would help if someone to stumble onto the page from other similar artists. Uaiyer (talk) 11:46, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

It would certainly help. Although finding sources for this might prove difficult. Perhaps there are some reviews and interviews that discuss his style in detail. Simply listing people who have inspired him is perhaps a bit vague. Karst (talk) 11:59, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 23 March 2016

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The result of the move request was: No move. We have clear consensus against the singer being the primary topic. There was somewhat more support for moving the bay article and placing the dab page at James Bay, but I don't see consensus for that at present. Cúchullain ^t/c 15:39, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

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• James Bay (singer) → James Bay
• James Bay → James Bay, Canada

– per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Do a google search for "James Bay" and all of the top results are about the singer, not the body of water. The Wikipedia article for the body of water has about 200 daily pageviews, but the article for the singer has about 1000 daily pageviews. While the singer is in my opinion the primary topic, the body of water is however notable enough to be linked directly in the hatnote. If this article is moved, I would support using the following hatnote:

This article is about the singer. For the body of water, see James Bay, Canada. For other uses, see James Bay (disambiguation).

Chessrat ^{(talk,contributions)} 14:46, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

• Support as per Chessrat (talk · contribs). I had never heard of the singer before today, but I find the argument persuasive. —Mark Dominus (talk) 15:07, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:RECENT and long-term notability: Note that not even remotely close to being the absolute majority topic for first topic, and doesn't register on the other WP:PRIMARYTOPIC criteria - long term encyclopedic quality either. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:07, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

There's also a placement problem. This template should have been on the status quo occupant, the Hudson Bay water being moved, not on the pop singer. The way it has been done alerts won't hit Canada and Geography editors. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:17, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Apologies, I was not aware of that etiquette. Will bear that in mind in future. Chessrat ^{(talk,contributions)} 22:20, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose on the grounds of long-term significance. James Bay is a pretty significantly-sized body of water, so a musician would have to have a considerably longer career than one album for it to be worth discussing. Regular Google searches are not great indicators of primary topics - my favorite example is the search for "galaxy", which brings up much more information about phones than space. Egsan Bacon (talk) 17:32, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:RECENT. At the very most, we could end up with James Bay being a disambiguation page pointing to both the singer and the waterbody, but the singer is certainly not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Not yet anyway. Bazonka (talk) 18:35, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:RECENT, and as per User:Egsan Bacon. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 19:35, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose A young singer with all of one album and two Brit awards? That's not WP:PRIMARYTOPIC compared to a major geographical feature. Maybe in time, but if his career ended tomorrow he would soon be forgotten. Meters (talk) 19:44, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose Nowhere close to primary topic for this move, at best the move would be as Bazonka says, however I believe that the waterbody is primary enough to keep it as-is.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 20:15, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose per above - The actual bay is the primary topic and will be for many years to come. –Davey2010^Talk 20:35, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
• Change vote to Neutral. Originally I supported the move, but the Oppose votes here make sense. Despite the singer's article being viewed six times as much as the body of water's article, it's probably too soon to call this article the primary topic. Instead, I'd support Bazonka's proposal of making James Bay a disambiguation page for now.
  If the consensus is against moving, as seems to be the case, I would suggest that a link to the singer's page be placed directly in the hatnote of the body of water's page: per WP:1HAT, "Direct links to other articles should be limited to ... if the other article could be reasonably expected by a significant number of readers to be at the title in question"; this is clearly the case here. The hatnote for James Bay would then read
  This article is about the body of water. For the singer, see James Bay (singer). For other uses, see James Bay (disambiguation).
  . I assume the addition of such a hatnote would not be controversial. Chessrat ^{(talk,contributions)} 22:20, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

I wasn't necessarily proposing that a disambiguation page be created at James Bay, just suggesting that it would be better than the proposal to move the singer's article there. This approach should only be taken where there is no primary topic, and I reckon that currently the waterbody is primary - this may change in the future though. I have no objections to the hatnote suggestion. Bazonka (talk) 23:01, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

• Chessrat, Bazonka - I've added the hatnote as that doesn't really need a discussion and it's a good idea anyway :), –Davey2010^Talk 23:28, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

• Strong oppose not the only location in Canada called James Bay, fails wP:PRECISE with ambiguous disambiguation, and wP:RECENTISM on the singer being a primary topic, plus PTOPIC on the historical importance of the body of water not being overcome by the singer, via GoogleScholar and GoogleBooks -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 04:00, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose. Sorry, but you are actually comparing a living person with a WP:GEOLAND. 15x page view difference is somewhat insufficient. SSTflyer 15:56, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

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Structure of 'Early Life' section

Does this read right?

".... He has a girlfriend from Hitchin named Lucy Smith. They were together since they were teens. He loves honey pops kinda cereal. He is friendly to his fans. He wrote some beautiful songs. He has a featherlight vocals, two hats, and chiselled cheekbones. His celebrity crush was Beyonce. He grew up in Hitchin with his brother, Alex Bay.[8]"

Must be a better way of structuring that information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nozzo (talk • contribs) 12:49, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

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Other Notable involvements...

Sorry, I am not normally known for editing WIKI. I hope this comes through clearly enough though.

James Bay's music has also been featured in the 2017 Movie "The Space Between Us". I had never heard of him until I purchased the DVD in 2020 and had to track him down from their use of "Need the Sun to Break" and "Hold Back the River". The movie cues the song "Need the Sun to Break" in at a key moment, making it pretty hard to miss... and plays the song "Hold Back the River" over the end credits.

It just seems sad that one use of his music in movies is noted (Disney's "Cars 3"), but this one is not.

Simply sign me --- a new fan in Taiwan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.168.192.117 (talk) 18:50, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

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