Talk:Jack Champion

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 00:31, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Jack Champion had to film all his scenes in Avatar: The Way of Water (2022) twice? Source: ‘Avatar: The Way of Water’ Spider Scenes Had to Be Filmed Twice, Two Years Apart
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5x expanded by Krimuk2.0 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:55, 20 January 2023 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article new and long enough; everything sourced; QPQ done; Earwig looks good; hook interesting and sourced.. All good here. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:48, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Lead

@Krimuk2.0: Yes, Champion is known for his role as Spider. But Spider does not solely appear in The Way of Water, he's slated for at least the third and fourth films as well. I see no reason why this should not be stated in the lead. How is "those films have yet to be released" relevant? InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:12, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

How do you know he will be known for his role in the unreleased Avatar 3 and Avatar 4? WP:CRYSTAL applies. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:14, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

My wording didn't say that. It says he's known for the role of Spider, and that Spider is a character who appears in the Avatar sequels. Not ... is known for his performances in the Avatar sequels as Spider. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:18, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Your wording was "Jack Champion is an American actor known for his role as Spider in the Avatar sequels." That goes directly against WP:CRYSTAL, because he is so far known for his role in only one sequel. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:20, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Okay, how about: Jack Champion is an American actor known for his role as Spider, a human teenager living on Pandora who appears in the Avatar sequels? InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:30, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Again, he has appeared in only one sequel so far, why do you want to say he appears in "sequels" when he has not? Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:32, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Because this wording seems to imply that Spider only appears in The Way of Water, which is not the case. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:38, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Actually, so far that is exactly the case, and guessing about the future is not what the lead is about. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:40, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Would you be fine if we added who first appears in before The Way of Water? So Jack Champion is an American actor known for his role as Spider, a human teenager living on Pandora who first appears in Avatar: The Way of Water (2022). InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:43, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Much better, with a slight tense change: "first appeared". Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:43, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Both past tense and the historical present are correct in this case, but I'll add your wording in. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:52, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Notable?

By the way, on an unrelated note, I'm not sure whether Champion satisfies the WP:NACTOR criterion of having significant roles in multiple notable films, given he has only had one major appearance so far. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:41, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Haha, you're the same person who added multiple sequels to the lead, and now you talk about "one" appearance. Interesting. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:46, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

But fret not. "Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment." is criteria #2, and Champion's unique and innovate work with motion capture technology, as has been profiled with multiple sources in the article, makes him notable enough for his own article. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:48, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Not totally convinced on that, but okay, if you say so. FWIW, I would've played it safe and kept this in draftspace until at least Scream 6 comes out. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:52, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Scream 6 is already a notable film, as it has its own article. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:55, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm aware, but the film's not due for release until two months from now. NACTOR refers to released films, not films in production/post-production. InfiniteNexus (talk) 07:03, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Where does it say "released" films? It says "notable" films. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 07:07, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't say so explicitly, but that's how I and other editors I've worked with have interpreted it in the past. But I won't push this, I grow weary talking about this kid for two hours straight. InfiniteNexus (talk) 07:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

It does say "notable" explicitly, and films that pass the WP:NOTABILITY criteria to have their own articles, are notable films. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 07:19, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

DOB

My god, you all are psychotic. You're making Wikipedia a less informative place because you're on some sort of power trip. You make other people not want to contribute - hell, that may be your goal. But it comes at the cost of a better informed public. Congratulations. 174.101.226.57 (talk) 03:07, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I've replied on my talk page, but I'll reiterate here. The Instagram post shows a timestamp of November 17, not November 16 as you are suggesting. IMDb is not considered a reliable source. Please find a reliable, preferably third-party source that confirms his date of birth. Thank you. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2023

Full name is Jackson Scott Arnold Champion source is him holding his diploma 2A00:23C4:8EA0:F01:6108:BD5B:C224:F6F2 (talk) 22:21, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 22:23, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Avatar 5?

Is there a reason Avatar 4 was included on Filmography (albeit as "yet to be released") but not Avatar 5? To be clear, definitely think it should be on there, but why isn't Avatar 5? Schtamangie (talk) 16:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I added Avatar 5. If there was a legitimate reason it wasn't supposed to be there, someone can take it off. Schtamangie (talk) 13:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

We only add those films whose filming has begun. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 17:11, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh ok gotcha. Schtamangie (talk) 17:23, 25 March 2024 (UTC)