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Why Iran vote in united nations has taken as recognization of NTC but for south America countries there is not such deduction?--Monfie (talk) 03:23, 23 September 2011 (UTC)Reply

Check the citation, it wasn't the vote, but a statement from a top Iranian official declaring recognition of the NTC. As soon as the South American nations issue such a statement, they'll go dark blue. Czolgolz (talk) 03:33, 23 September 2011 (UTC)Reply

Sweden

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Sweden have recognized the TNC. [1] --Ahmetyal 22:38, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Switzerland

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I'd say appointing an ambassador and calling the NTC "the new government" after voting for recognition at the UN constitutes formal recognition. What do y'all think? -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:39, 29 September 2011 (UTC)Reply

Jamaica

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I know that facebook is not a good source of information, but it looks quite reliable [2]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boniek1988 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 30 September 2011 (UTC)Reply

Map on UNGA vote should be "had issued a statement on recognition"

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The tenses for this should be "had" as the vote took place in the past and some countries have now changed their stance (eg. South Africa and Algeria). Using "have" in this context doesn't make sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blotulon (talk • contribs) 11:27, 2 October 2011 (UTC)Reply

Two different maps

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There seems to be two diffrent map ideas that show the NTC's current recognition status (Click on maps to enlarge):

Current Map:

The current map shows the current staus of recognition and mentions the UN vote of countries that do or do not recognise the NTC.

 
  Libya
  Countries that have recognised the National Transitional Council as the sole legitimate representative of Libya
  Countries with informal relations with the NTC, or which voted in favour of it assuming Libya's UN seat, but have not established formal recognition
  Countries which opposed the NTC assuming Libya's UN seat, yet have not made a formal statement on recognition
  Countries which have formally opposed the NTC

Proposed Map:

The Proposed map has colors but the description is confusing. I think it describes the UN vote for the countries but fail to understand what the diffrence is between the two maps. Is there a prefrence on what map should be used here?

 
{{The darkest blue is for countries who recognized before UNSCR 1973; next shade down is for those who recognized after UNSCR 1973 but before the beginning of the Rebel Coastal Offensive (August 15); then is between August 15 and the end of the Siege of Tripoli (August 28) and recognition from August 28th on is the lightest shade of blue. Lavender colors countries which voted for the UN to accept the NTCs credentials, the darker lavender is for countries which both supported the NTC in the UN vote and issued statements of support earlier in the conflict. The lighter green colors countries which opposed the NTC assuming Libya's UN seat, yet have not made a formal statement on recognition. The darker green colors countries which have formally opposed the NTC.}}

- Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:06, 12 October 2011 (UTC)Reply

I like the first one. The second is very confusing. Czolgolz (talk) 03:52, 12 October 2011 (UTC)Reply
That is what I thought too, I left a message on User:Yalens's talk page asking to explain the map he did. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 12:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)Reply
(from yalens' talk page) We could do the legend along the lines of the other map (the one you favor) if you want. I think its important to show the progression of recognition, as the page it is on will eventually become a mainly historical page (while Foreign relations of Libya will deal with the to-be current situation). Therefore, I think this page should have "my" map (with a clearer explanation of course), while the foreign relations of Libya page should have the map this page currently has.--Yalens (talk) 22:07, 12 October 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • I too find the second map confusing. (I have made both maps bigger.) I can see though the value, in the extra information. The problem is it attempts to cover two (or more) separate phenomena in one map - the time of recognition, and the opposition to NTC. Rich Farmbrough, 01:40, 20 October 2011 (UTC).Reply
I also find the second map overly confusing as. Perhaps it is the just the phrasing. Could we get a suggesting for a revised legend. My second idea would be to make it an animated gif. I have seen other ones on wikipedia where it changes at key turning points. We could have the same categories and as the first one, but have it show several key turning points. (For an example of what I am talking about take a look at this) Eomund (talk) 20:03, 22 October 2011 (UTC)Reply
Animated gif would be good (if it follows the time periods I laid out in my map), though it would be much harder for people to edit (I, for one, can't). I am pretty busy right now, but you guys are capable of changing the description of "my" map so that's clearer, aren't you?--Yalens (talk) 22:26, 22 October 2011 (UTC)Reply

What to do with Mauritania?

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It's very strange that all parties in that country (even the rulling party) congratulated NTC overthrowing of Gaddafi and the government didn't... I propose to add this country to unofficial relations (light blue).Boniek1988 (talk) 23:23, 19 October 2011 (UTC)Reply

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Another UNGA vote

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[3] has a vote breakdown about NTC Libya UNHRC membership - some of the african countries that were against in September now vote in favour of NTC Libya (that can be used in the article here), but generally it's kind of a confirmation of what's written here: "Only the 8 countries of the Bolivarian Alliance for the Americas[127][128] and the African countries of Namibia[129] and Zimbabwe[130] have explicitly continued to denounce the NTC".

So, I think we should add to the article a list of current non-recognizers (some or all of ALBA, Namibia, Zimbabwe). Japinderum (talk) 09:28, 24 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

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Moving/renaming this article?

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The National Transitional Council no longer governs Libya, it has handed power over to the elected interrim General National Congress.

So if NTC no longer is the government of Libya, then surely this article needs to be moved/renamed to be about international recognition of the new governing authority? -- Darthdyas (talk) 09:23, 17 September 2012 (UTC)Reply

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