Talk:International Congress on Buddhist Women's Role in the Sangha

Letter of support

I think it must be [http://www.congress-on-buddhist-women.org/index.php?id=142 Statement of His Holiness the Dalai Lama on Bhikshuni Ordination in the Tibetan Tradition] this one.

Austerlitz -- 88.72.5.166 (talk) 12:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Information on committee

The Committee of Western Bhikshunis, some more information is to be found here [1].

Austerlitz -- 88.72.5.166 (talk) 13:20, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Besides the six committee members there are two Advisors [2], both from Taiwan:

• Ven. Bhiksuni Heng-ching Shih, Professor of Philosophy at Taiwan National University (Gelongma ordination 1975 in San Francisco).

Some Details on her work: http://buddhism.lib.ntu.edu.tw/BDLM/en/aboutus.htm http://buddhism.lib.ntu.edu.tw/BDLM/copyright2.htm

and

• Ven. Bhikshuni Wu-yin, Vinaya Master.

Austerlitz -- 88.72.7.214 (talk) 14:37, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

One of her works: WOMEN IN ZEN BUDDHISM: Chinese Bhiksunis in the Ch'an Tradition by Heng-Ching Shih

Austerlitz -- 88.72.7.214 (talk) 14:54, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

The times they are a changing

Quoting His Holiness the Dalai Lama from this paper [3]:

1. In 2005, His Holiness the Dalai Lama repeatedly spoke about the bhikshuni ordination in public gatherings. In Dharamsala, His Holiness encouraged, "We need to bring this to a conclusion. We Tibetans alone can't decide this. Rather, it should be decided in collaboration with Buddhists from all over the world. Speaking in general terms, were the Buddha to come to this 21st century world, I feel that most likely, seeing the actual situation in the world now, he might change the rules somewhat...."
2. Later, in Zurich during a 2005 conference of Tibetan Buddhist Centers, His Holiness said, "Now I think the time has come; we should start a working group or committee" to meet with monks from other Buddhist traditions. Looking at the German bhikshuni, Ven. Jampa Tsedroen, he instructed, "I prefer that Western Buddhist nuns carry out this work…Go to different places for further research and discuss with senior monks (from various Buddhist countries). I think, first, senior bhikshunis need to correct the monks' way of thinking.
3. "This is the 21st century. Everywhere we are talking about equality….Basically Buddhism needs equality. There are some really minor things to remember as a Buddhist--a bhikshu always goes first, then a bhikshuni….The key thing is the restoration of the bhikshuni vow."

Seems as if the monks corrected the western bhikshunis.

Austerlitz -- 88.75.201.168 (talk) 16:13, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Or maybe western bhikshunis have not been "senior bhikshunis".

Austerlitz -- 88.72.7.214 (talk) 21:18, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't understand the reasons for deleting

Have you given reasons for all of your work? [4]

Austerlitz -- 88.72.7.214 (talk) 18:33, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Your "argument" (automatism) is for one link only, [5], the rest I am going to reinsert, don't see any reason for deleting.

Austerlitz -- 88.72.7.214 (talk) 18:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Gurudhammas have been a topic

There is only a very short abstract available online [http://www.congress-on-buddhist-women.org/index.php?id=65 Abstract: The Eight Garudhammas by PD Dr. Ute Hüsken]. In the PDF text there is to be found this short abstract, too, not more.

Austerlitz -- 88.72.7.214 (talk) 21:22, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I've just found another abstract: [http://www.congress-on-buddhist-women.org/index.php?id=113

Austerlitz -- 88.75.194.206 (talk) 07:29, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

External Link

• Some ideas on bhikkhuni ordination and its impacts

This is banned by wikipedia?

Austerlitz -- 88.75.95.34 (talk) 08:58, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Speech of His Holiness Dalai Lama

Part Four: Day Three and Final Comments by His Holiness "Sometimes in religion there has been an emphasis on male importance. In Buddhism, however, the highest vows, namely the bhikshu and bhikshuni ones, are equal and entail the same rights." Is this Dalai Lama speeking or not? There are no quotation marks.

What do you think?

Austerlitz -- 88.75.203.152 (talk) 18:27, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

[6]

Austerlitz -- 88.75.203.152 (talk) 19:52, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Another speech

“The First Council and Suppression of the Bhikkhuni Order” "Their anti-women prejudice became institutionalized at that time with the eight garudhammas, the eight weighty restrictions. We must discontinue that prejudice. There is no anti-women prejudice in Jainism and they survived in India; whereas Buddhism had prejudice and did not survive in India."

Austerlitz -- 88.75.203.152 (talk) 19:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Meeting March 1993, in Dharmasala

• Women, see section The Changing Status of Women (and also, the Plight of Western Monastics) @khandro.net

Austerlitz -- 88.72.14.71 (talk) 19:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

another meeting Articles from Yasodhara-Newsletter on International Buddhist Women's Activities (October 1, 2006), News on Bhikshuni Lineage in Tibetan tradition.

Austerlitz -- 88.75.213.199 (talk) 15:47, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Progress

The committee of western bhikshunis and its advisors are going to find out where in the (different) texts for bhikshuni ordination the gurudhammas in general are to be found and whether they are spoken in english or tibetan, for example. As far as I have understood, all of those women have taken these vows, they should know.

Austerlitz -- 88.75.88.205 (talk) 11:42, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Change

The former text of Tenzin Palmo taken from References no. 6 has been changed. The quotation I had cited from there cannot be found anymore.

Austerlitz -- 88.75.202.214 (talk) 08:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)