Talk:Hyde Road (stadium)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hyde Road/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Lead

• It was home to Manchester City F.C. and their predecessors from its construction in 1887 until 1923, when the club moved to Maine Road. - what is meant by "their predcessors?"

The idea here is to avoid having to put a whole paragraph explaining that Gorton A.F.C., Ardwick A.F.C. and Manchester City F.C. are all incarnations of the same club, in an attempt to keep the lead as a succinct summary.

• Prior to use as a football ground the site was an area of waste ground, and in its early days the ground had only rudimentary facilities. - this is a stadium, use stadium instead of "ground." A comma should also be used between "ground" and "the."

Generally, a stadium is wholly or predominantly enclosed. At this point there was only one stand, so I think "stadium" would give an inappropriately grandiose impression.

• Why is it that in the infobox Manchester City is only written without "F.C." like in the lead.

Done.

History

• The club captain, Kenneth McKenzie, discovered a patch of waste ground on Hyde Road, Ardwick, and informed the club committee. - what is meant by "patch"?

My dictionary defines it as "an area differing from the area surrounding it", though maybe "area" would be better here.

• An extremely large sum of money was spent on ground improvements around the turn of the century; a new stand was purchased for £1,500 in 1898, and £2,000 worth of improvements were made in 1904, resulting in a capacity of 40,000 with stands on three sides.- "extremely" is a violation of WP:NPOV reword or remove.

This is a hangover from a sentence which was at one time much longer, the usage is less appropriate now, so removed.

• On occasion further problems occurred within the ground as well as outside. - comma after "on occasion."

Done.

• An hour before kick-off the gates were closed with many ticket-holders unable to gain admission. - comma after "kick-off."

Agree it needs a comma, but after "closed" instead.

• The crowd was so large that once the match kicked off the crowd began to spill onto the pitch, a problem which worsened as the game progressed. - "was so large" POV again, reword.

The size of the crowd was such that the terraces could no longer contain them. Its size was the reason for the encroachment. I cannot see how this is POV.

Layout and structure

• Is there any other info on it's layout, height? or other technical details?

Very little. All the major publications about the club have been consulted. The 1920 fire destroyed the club records, taking much of what was known about the ground with it. I'll see if I can find anything more. Oldelpaso (talk) 05:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

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2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

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   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

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4. Is it neutral?

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5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   Very good article. Though a couple of prose and MOS issues, but if they are fixed, it can be passed. Article  On hold.--S_RX 21:09, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Most of my comments have been addressed, but those that weren't won't interfere in the passing of the article. This GAN is a Pass.--S_RX 15:13, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

First non-London ground to be visited by a reigning Monarch?

The article claims Hyde Road has this honour, citing City's own website, but Football Grounds of Great Britain (ISBN: 0-00-218249-1) states that Goodison Park was visited by George V on July 13 1913. Decorativeedison (talk) 16:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I have that book at home, along with others that repeat the Hyde Road claim. I'll check out the various claims in more detail. Oldelpaso (talk) 16:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

If it was July then the chances are that no match was taking place. My yet-to-be-confirmed-either-way suspicion is that Goodison was the first non-London ground to be visited by a reigning monarch, but that Hyde Road was the first at which a reigning monarch attended a match. Oldelpaso (talk) 16:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC)