Talk:Holocaust memorial landscapes in Germany

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de-orphaned 7 September 2009. Auntieruth55 (talk) 22:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

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This is a good start on an article that should be of wide interest and importance. The discussion of the memorial landscape in Germany (and elsewhere) is controversial (see Martin Walser's argument against it, for example). It ranges far beyond a few gardens and displays, which offer interesting case studies, and becomes part of the broader discussion of how to deal with a particularly painful past. It is a controversy that isn't going away, either. Nor should it. So, with this in mind, I added the templates to link this article to a variety of projects. Perhaps this is throwing the cat among the pigeons, but nevertheless, there it is. Auntieruth55 (talk) 14:56, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

this is more of a theme than an article

This looks like a student paper for a college course to me, not an encyclopedia article. I agree with Auntieruth55 that this is an important topic, but it is not systematic at all, and nowhere near comprehensive. A "real" article wouldn't be limited to memorial landscapes in Germany alone--there are many terrains of memorialization (of the Holocaust and other geographically dispersed events, like the two world wars, or famous people like Bismarck, for whom a network of memorial towers was set up across Germany around 1900). So I'd argue that this article should be called "memorial landscapes" and begin with a much more general discussion of the phenomenon in history, pre-Holocaust. It would then continue with descriptions of why Holocaust memorials can be grouped together in national landscapes (East Germany and Poland had fairly centralized designs across the whole country). Later it might look at memorial ensembles like those at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem, or the Mauthausen former Nazi concentration camp, which are dotted with many memorials from different places. The Belsen example in this article is a good example of that. Finally, it could take the term to look at memorials that are experiential spaces, like the Berlin murdered Jews one--or Maidanek, the Berlin Jewish museum garden and building, the Lost Communities area in Yad Vashem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmarcuse (talk • contribs) 19:39, 15 January 2011 (UTC)